Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

This is true

 

In a nut shell.:good

Liston was a great fighter with special talent and boundless potential but his resume and prowess should be based more on the core facts than spectacular wins against second stringers. Liston was heavier than a lot of the best and there was still only 3 great wins against 2 men without exhausting his era quite like Rocky.

Sonny was quite inactive after 1960. After great wins in 1960 there is no doubt Liston was proved the best from 1962-64 though.

 

Don't be silly,,,,,,,,:verysad

Nobody said Rocky would out-box Sonny with lightning quickness.

A little movement and angles, is what Rocky would have to do, to stay
in the bout.

Now winning the bout, that is a different story.

 

How about cracking Sonny on the chin harder than anyone was able, works wonders and there are other ways to get inside a talented jab, Vito Aunterfermo showed this in Hagler 1 and Vito did not have above average power or the subtle defensive skill of Marciano

 

Liston would find Rocky with a big punch or two or three before Rocky ever gets a sniff of a substained inside attack.

When Liston hurts Rocky (and that would happen) the battle turns one-sided and the end could be quite brutal.

Rocky has great heart, but he gets manhandled in this one.

Sorry.

 

Funny how Liston has all of a sudden been reduced to a guy who simply sticks the jab in an effort to keep the smaller man off of him. Apparently some have forgotten that the power in that right hand of his is enough to send Marciano into the isles with the popcorn venders.

 

Albert Westphal likely would agree. He's probably still on the canvas.

 

I think Rocky had his share of guys who visited the isles with the pop corn venders as well, lets not forget that. No doubt Sonny had power but other than Patterson and Foley who were KO'd before and after and Williams and DeJohn who were KO'd before and after by 185lb guys .....who was his best quality KO, who was his best quality win?

Funny how Marciano is reduced to a guy that comes into the ring and puts out his chin to be hit and has the short arms of a Tyrannosaurus Rex with only strong legs to hold him up.

I think 43 guys would and did say those short arms were effective indeed and we know the other 6 (some of them the same guys) were never as good in the rematch or subsequent fights.

 

I'm not doubting Rocky's power. You guys just seem to think that Liston's entire fate is based on him controlling Marciano with the jab. You are then proceding to work off that to illustrate how Rocky would slip the jab, get inside and pummel Liston like he's a defensless ***** being raped, which is utterly ridiculous.

 

Archie Moore had more ko's than almost anyone isn history, and hit as hard as Liston. Sonny Liston got that hard hitter rep from fighting lesser fighters. ****, people bring up Nino Valdez--Archie moore beat him easily, , and it was coming off Archie being injured. Why do you think Liston was such hard hitter? He could punch, but he was slow, and was ko'd himself. His 'Mean, bad" rep came from being scary looking, and being Black ex-con, which scared some back then. Marciano would go through him. Liston was not that talented, or that tough when going got rough.

 

I did not say that but on the other hand people are portraying Rocky as a guy that would come in and let Liston hit him at will, lets not forget Rocky had 2 good hands, one of the hardest single one punch punchers who could also swarm and also the hardest puncher that Sonny ever faced...Rocky was also far from a defenseless ***** being raped

 

Yes with most of them coming at middleweight and light heavy

I doubt that, but what evidence do you have to support that? Ever fight either of em'?

You mean like Floyd Patterson who Liston creamed twice and who people are arguing hammer and tong on another thread as we speak, about weather or not Rocky would even beat him, let alone destroy?

Easily? LOL... No my friend. LISTON beat Valdez "easily". Moore on the other hand. Well lets see what the united press had to say about that.

"In the rough battle, referee Jim Braddock took one round away from each battler because of low blows. There were no knockdowns but each was knocked back onto his heels several times during the exciting slugging match.

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and tried to impale his bobbing-weaving opponent with long left jabs and whistling rights. In the 13th session, Nino's left eye was closed tightly shut and he fought on half-blinded and fatigued. Moore's superiority in the 14th and 15th rounds clinched the fight and gave Moore his 20th straight victory." -United Press

Hardly sounds like it was easy to me.

Um maybe because it has something to do with the fact that he handed top rank heavy's their ass, and how most people with a sound mind wanted nothing to do with being hit by him.

Well whatever it was, weather it be being black, scary, slow, knock out prone or even an offender of the law, it didn't stop him from flattening an entire division.

Yes I would just love to see the creative tactics that Rocky would use. Bull rush Liston and throw a barage of hooks and crosses, hoping to land that big bomb that would make Liston quit in his corner.. Creative strategy, but not likely to work.

 

Maghoo, I have not forgotten about it. I am the biggest Marciano supporter out there, but I think Liston beats him. Liston has many different ways he can beat him.

 

I know Suz',

Some of these guys have gotten so creative that its starting to read like two totally different fighters in this fantasy fight with one of them being a technical genius with super human powers and the other as being a panty waste who quits a fight after a mosquito bite. I thought we were talking about Rocky Marciano vs Sonny Liston.. Have I missed something?

 

I agree, it's ridiculous. These same men try to tear down listons opposition by saying "two 1 round knockout victories over a prime top 20 ATG heavyweight doesn't count because that man was afraid". LOL. or "Cleveland Williams is the most overrated fighter of all time because he had a killer left hook, blinding handspeed, and was a huge physical speciman."


It works both ways though. Did you see the other thread? Someone claimed "ingemar Johansson was stronger and hit harder than Rocky Marciano"