Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

Scrap Iron Johnson went the distance with Jerry Quarry,Manuel Ramos, and Joe Frazier.

 

You're kidding me?

 

What? of course intimidation makes a difference he makes the opponent reluctant an affects his resistance. If a fighter is intimidated his resistance drops boxing is alot of mental.

Rocky on the other hand probably dealt with the opposite. When opponents saw his size, his akward clumsiness and short arms I am certain many fighters thought he was going to be easy. Notice his rematched opponents once having been in the ring with him they had less resistance the 2nd fight.

 

I kid you not.

 

I never noticed it but I was never intimidated, terrified yes, intimidated no.

 

I can understand that neither was I in a few hundred amateur fights but I never face a Tyson, Foreman or a Liston.

 

I looked upon all my opponents as a combination of all three!
Fear made me a beast!

 

LOL yeah I hear yah I quit the game when I felt hardly any getting in a ring; no excitement and not enough fear to keep me honest anymore.

 

Time to go,wise man.:good

 

Valdes lost 4 in row, one was at the end of 1952, the other 3 were in 1953 Johnson,Moore,Gilliam & Baker but on 2/20/54 he won a split decision over Archie McBride in Palacio de Deportes, Havana, Cuba and most felt he lost, then he had an elimination to qualify to fight Marciano because he lost again to Archie Moore again 5-02-55 and Moore got the title shot on 9-22-55...What dont you understand and then unless it is not clear he was given the opportunity to fight Marciano again but had to get past the erratic Bob Satterfield but Nino lost badly in fact he was dropped in the last round to cap things off and lose the chance to fight Marciano.

Because Archie Moore was also Light heavyweight Champ and had beaten Valdes 2x as well as Johnson and KO 8 Baker (who beat Nino Valdes ) he was the man in line to fight Marciano, some of the rating could not put Archie in both spots but he was #1 contender and Light heavyweight champ

 

Scrap iron johnson was a chopping block for experienced fighters. He bore no resemblance to Rocky Marciano. He was no harder to hit than any man who was also knocked out 12 times. Johnson was a trial horse to provide rounds for new pros. The rounds he gave those youngsters flatter him. He was doing a job. Decent fighters who were not looking for rounds never had a problem. Jerry quarry also knocked scrap iron out in two rounds as did juergen blin and Johnny Carroll. Many unremarkable heavyweights Kayoed Johnson quicker than Liston like Todd Herring, Ernie Cab and Donnie fleeman . It is unsurprising Liston could use his jab on Johnson because everyone did. The only surprise is how resilient Johnson was against Liston. Johnson was a brave journeyman who proved without fear he could give Liston rounds coming forward. I think Marciano could do better. Is that unfair to ask?

 

Scrap Iron Johnson was 5'9" tall my whole point was Liston had no trouble landing his jab on a man shorter than Marciano. no one compared Johnson with Marciano. Johnson went seven rds with Liston, and seven with Foreman.Now you say fighters let him stay to get rounds in . BS!

 

Because Rocky was a bleeder ,who was in danger of being stopped on cuts twice,and he would be facing a telephone poll ,booming jab?

 

You look on Box rec, then come back and spout it like its some revelation.
It's very clear Valdes was the number one contender long enough to have warranted a title shot,I think given one, he would have lost , but that is not the point.

Youv'e made three assertions that I have shown to be wrong but you havent mentioned them again.
1".Liston folds under pressure ."

I cited his jaw being broke early in a fight, and the fact that he carried on and lost the decision.He had his nose broke by power puncher Williams but came back to ko him.

2."Louis kod Valdes in 1 round in an exhibition shortly before Louis fought Marciano. "

Louis had two exhibitions with Valdes both went the 4 rds distance without a ko or any knockdows,and the last one was one year and eight months before Louis fought Rocky.

3".Marciano fought 5 number one contenders ."
He didnt neither, Lastarza, or Charles were number one contenders when he signed to fight them.
All you, and Choklab have offered by way of a coherent argument for Marciano beating Liston,is hero worship .

 

Johnson goes seven with Liston, lasted just two with Johnny Carroll but Marciano can't cope with Listons jab? Easy to hit and knock out Johnson walked through it and finished on his feet!