Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

WRONG!!! You did not tell us which ranked guy Williams actually Ko'd. Its a losing hand, so you go off tangent bringing other names into the equation. Typical BS. It has nothing to do with the question!

Some of the names you listed do have Ko's over ranked opposition by the way.

Let me guess, this is just another lame attempt on your part to degrade white heavyweight champion. In this case its Marciano's turn. Gee, have not seen that one before from you.

I also asked which fights did you see Williams KO anyone. Still can't answer that one?

Do I think Williams hit as hard as Moore or Walcott? I would say maybe a little harder, but his skill level was lower. I also don't consider either Moore or Walcott to be among say a top 40 all time punchers at Heavyweight.

 

Name me the elite heavyweight near his prime that Shavers KO'd. Norton and Ellis were way past it even if Norton might have been ranked for his effort versus Holmes.

Plenty of opponents and observers still thought he hit pretty hard.

 

Shavers kayoed Jimmy Young in 3 rounds in 1973 , Young was 25 so I would rate him as being pretty much in his prime although the Shavers fight was only Young's second sheduled 10 round fight. Within two years Young had beaten Lyle and was robbed against Shavers in the rematch ( which was called a draw ) .

 

Norton just fought a war with Holmes SD15 on 6/9/78 and it was a close battle so how much did he slip, or was it a case of wrong styles like Liston and Patterson, Norton fought Shavers 9 months later 3/23/79 and had a 3rd KO over Randy Stephens in between

Also Shavers had a prime Holmes on the floor, seriously wobbled Ali a few times, Dropped Ron Lyle, Bernard Mercado before running out of gas, I wont mention Jimmy Young 1st round KO because Jimmy was a pup but for the most part Shavers got the KO's over the Tiger Williams and Henry Clark type and Ko'd an older Jimmy Ellis and KO'd Bugner when both were past it

 

Yeah, Elis was #3, Clark was rated, and Norton was #1. So he didn't do too bad for himself in that category.

 

Roger Rischer was in the top ten ,[ no 8,]when Wiiliams stopped him. Terrell was no 3 ,a year after Williams stopped him.

I repeat which top ten rated heavies did Morrison,Ruddock,[ no70]Lyle,Foster, Cooney.[no53] etc ko?

How about Curtiss Sheppard,Elmer Ray[ no44,] George Godfrey,[no45] Tommy Gomez[72 ],Lem Franklin?

I've never seen any of them ko anyone.

Does that mean they were not big punchers ?

Many of these are in the Ring's top 100 punchers p4p of all time list.
[Nos bracketed]
Of the Heavyweights listed in the top 100.
Ray[11]
Cooney[15]
Godfrey[12]
Ruddock[ 23]
Gomez[24]
Satterfield[17]
Oh By the way
CLEVELAND WILLIAMS IS NO 14

Answer the question.
How about Bob Satterfield [no 17], how many top ten rated heavyweights did he ko?
You are an embarassment to yourself.

I rate Marciano in the top ten of all time, I rate Dempsey no 3, higher than anyone on this forum I would guess.

Talking out of your rectum, as usual.



Moore and Walcott hit hard enough to drop Marciano get it?

 

It's like talking to Cheetah the chimp, except you would get better sense out of the chimp.

 

Young had 9 fights under his belt he was a nobody then.

 

Max Baer, seriously ?

Floyd went on to fight on even terms and/or defeat Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis, Machen and Chavlo … he still had a hello of a lot of game. There re punchers and there are better punchers … Liston was simply a monster. Archie Moore was a bit of a puncher who had given Rocky a tough fight and dropped him and stunned him in the second round and Floyd destroyed him. There is no denying it was Liston and what he brought to the table that made the difference.

 

God this is such a stupid thread … if these guys were fighting tomorrow not one of these Rocky guys would bet 10 cents on his chances against Liston .. this is pure crap.

 

Jimmy Young had 10 fights? Shavers had 50.

Not a horrible victory, of course, but Young was not even yet a seasoned pro.

 

Floyd was dropped close to 20 times on a quick count in my head, and I am not speaking bad about him, I knew him and he was a great human being and very talented and experienced fighter with fast hands and power and a man to look up to but Floyd gets ruined by a puncher/finisher

no one said Sonny did not fit into the punchers elite, Louis Marciano,Tyson,Frazier,Dempsey,Lewis,Vitali,Vlad but Liston was dropped & KO'd by Ali and with one punch I can only imagine him getting hit by a big puncher or a pin point puncher and even though he was old Leotis Martin showed how an inside guy could be effective

funny but watching Liston-Williams which I remember as a kid, the announcer said Williams was 6"2 and had a long reach than Sonny and I think Sonny was a little over 6 ft but Williams was a wider swinger and body impressive but not so good defensively, no wonder he was Ko'd by Bob Satterfield. I remember the Ali fight and the fact that Big Cat was shot up by the cops sometime before it but it was still impressive to see a Big muscled guy fall and it made for great Ali highlights

Big Cat was limited im sure we all agree

and Floyd is not winning the golden chin award

 

If you were alive at the time and If you could bet with your heart and mouth you would have lost 49 times betting against Marciano but if you had to lay down the shekels and put your $$$ where your mouth is you would have long pockets and shorter arms than Rocco

 

Its mentioned continually that Williams ,at the age of 20, and coming in as a late substitute was kod by Bob Satterfied.

That is a very black mark against him because ,after all which reigning top ten boxers did Satterfield ko?

These things must be examined scientifically, and the only conclusion can be that Satterfield was a non- puncher.:yep
I must tell the Ring who in their 2003 ,p4p 100 greatest punchers have Satterfield at no 17 among the 27 heavyweights listed.
They have Cleveland Williams at no 14 that surely must be a mistake.:nono