Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

Delusional is delusional. It is so well documented that Cus wanted no part of Liston that your post is nonsense. From 59 on he deserved it as much as anyone did. to say he didn't till 61 is just you spinning crap and you know it.

 

Patterson was as brave as any higher that ever lived. He did what he could. He got smashed because he was a terrible match up stylistically against a Liston. Marciano would not have lasted far longer.A couple of rounds, tops.

 

agreed :good

 

:good You are watching it the right way because that is exactly what the films show. Caught in the headlights with his head elsewhere... a sitting duck in that frame of mind.

Apparently Marciano would be a psyched out rabbit in the headlights too...

 

You cant blame Patterson for wanting a third fight, he felt it was his duty to redeem himself after the humiliation of those fights because he knew he did not do himself justice. It is not as crazy as you think. In fact you are crazy to think Floyd shouldn't want another chance with Liston especially after the way Liston blew the clay fights.

Floyd said he wanted to win the title back so that he could ask cus to come back once he had the title again. He won it back once already and was able to beat good contenders like machen, Cooper, Chuvalo and Bonavenna so you cant blame Floyd for not thinking it was impossible to beat Liston in the future. Wether Floyd could have overcome his demons in a ring with Liston and finaly do himself justice against him we will never know.

That's not to say Floyd could win, maybe Liston always would knock Floyd out in one round even without Floyd being a rabbit caught in the headlights, but I do believe as I think most people do, that Floyd could do a lot better than lose in one round in a better frame of mind, with a better plan.

 

Patterson is on record as saying that even he would not pay to see a third Liston vPatterson fight

 

Sounds like you ARE saying Floyd is crazy for wanting a third liston fight to me.:think

Truth is you cant blame Floyd for wanting to erase those humiliating, **** poor one rounders because floyd must have felt he could do better with a better plan and better frame of mind..... but we will never know if he still had sonny in his head.

 

have you changed your mind?
you said Patterson was "brave to the point of stupidity" for wanting a third fight and "it was crazy". I am sorry but someone needs to tell you that this means you think Patterson was crazy for wanting a 3rd fight with charles Sonny liston..

 

Patterson is on record as saying that even he would not pay to see a third Liston v Patterson fight.

 

I have just watched it again. You describe the fight well, I am impressed that you noticed the kidney punch, I liked that shot. Patterson did make Liston miss as you described but where as Sonny was getting off two or so at a time I did not notice Floyd putting more than one punch together at a time. He allowed Liston to be first, maybe to find range, maybe to make Sonny miss but he did not let anything go himself. No combinations. Floyd gets into range, makes Sonny miss then moves. He is not looking to establish his advantage in speed at this point against a man who has already knockd him out. Usually you want to let the other fellow know right off. Floyd did not. Floyd had the speed to beat Liston to the punch in bunches but he did not, he moves away perhaps to find a better angle but he is not grasping the initiative like a man on fire. Nor is he punching at his fastest either, we have all seen Floyd with faster hands than this. Maybe he is warming up? I dont know..but Liston stays on him, he's not warming up!, and Liston gets the uppercut off whilst Floyd is caught napping near the ropes. Floyd should not have even been near the ropes. Sonny is showing more focus, confidence and letting his hands go more than Floyd. It is clear that floyd is discouraged, he is not up for this fight, he tries but it is a bad night for him, he looks tense.