Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

I have threadbare logic because Larry Holmes says Liston (who he never met) was the best jabber in history?
Did or did not Muhammad ali say a middle age Rocky Marciano was hard to hit with a jab?
Liston had a great HARD jab. Ali had a faster more accurate jab than Liston.
If Ali (who not only met Marciano but did friendly sparring with Marciano) who as you say yourself repeatedly countered Liston says Rocky is hard to hit with the jab why is it thread bare logic to agree? If Ali had trouble jabbing Marciano anybody would have trouble jabbing Rocky. This would include Liston.
　
　
　

Because Ali did not know what he was talking about? Or because you find it absolutely exceptional that it is not what you want to hear?

Yet Ali found Marciano hard to hit with the jab. .Marciano countered wallcot, he countered great fighters why cant he (if he is hard to hit with a jab) counter Liston when the man drives forward like liston does?
　

 

Ali's style is very different from Liston's in terms of the jab. Ali tried to jab you and stay outside. He wanted you to follow him around and walk into his jab. Liston would try to walk you down with the jab.

A shot Louis didn't have too much trouble finding Marciano with his jab, even though it looked like it was in slow motion. And Louis had nothing else in that fight. Liston's jab would have been much harder and more effective, and he'd be able to follow it up with power punches.

 

Liston is like most big bullies, if you can stay away and make him miss for a few rounds he'll get frustrated. Once you strip away that feeling of invincibility, he can be had.

Rocky Marciano

 

Marciano would obviously find a way to frustrate Liston..And despite the size difference I guarantee Liston has never been hit as hard as Rocky would hit him..Eventually there would be a stand off in the midde of the ring and I see Liston goin down...No way he gets away with trading with Marciano..I say Marciano By KO between the 8th and 12th rounds..( assuming were goin 15 rounds here )....And My lovely Girlfriend who is in love with Marciano agrees with me!!

 

Sounds like you've found a special one.

 

Thats not Marciano`s game. He going to be there to be hit. Liston isnt quitting against a guy that is walking into his wheelhouse. Its wishful thinking.

 

It's nuthuggery.

 

I kinda have to agree with this. Marciano wouldn't exactly frustrate Liston with elusiveness or quickness. Sonny's eyes would be bigger than saucers seeing Marciano advance. And this whole bully notion is way exaggerated. You have an awful toll to pay to expose this bully...

 

Liston bombs him out in the mddle rounds

Marciano comes forward, a huge stylistic advantage for Liston

 

Of course. Never said it was. Point is Marciano believed Liston was a bully that wasn't invincible. Ali basically proved his prediction completely true.

 

Have you ever seen a fight where some game ******* climbs all over the better skilled fighter, smothers and frustrates him? It stops the better skilled fighter doing what he wants to do and brings him down a level.

Happens quite a lot, often the game ******* loses eventualy, sometimes he gets the moral victory if not the win itself. Tough *******s of even the lowest level often can really maul inside and are hard to tag on the way in.

Marciano is that game ******* only he has two handed power and proven at ATG level. Being a game ******* is only the least of what Rocky is. IMO even that side of Marciano takes a lot of what sonny is away.

All I am saying is Marciano was awkward to fight and a great fighter. He was hard to hit and is a match for Liston because he is so awkward, fearless and proven.

I also find it refreshing that this fantasy match up is closer this time around.

 

The way I see this fight is Liston can pound Rocky behind the jab if he wants, and even in the trenches he'll destroy Rocky punch for punch. He's too big.

p4p Rocky is a better fighter but considering the 2 stone weight advantage Rocky is just in a bad fight for him.

 

It comes down to a question of heart...and who had a bigger heart then Marciano???

 

Marciano (in retirement) said that Liston was the one fighter he wouldn't want to get in the ring with.

I've seen that quote several times- couldn't find it but it's out there.

Rocky wasn't just being humble. He didn't mind a bit saying he could have beaten Ali, Patterson and Johansson.