Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

Why argue with a fool?

 

Fleischer wasn't prejudiced against black fighters he was a close friend of Jack Johnson's and led an editorial campaign to get Harry Wills his rightful title shot. Fleischer was extremely biased towards the early fighters, not unusual for one of his age.

 

I'm going to break the mould and say this goes the distance.

Both men knackered at the final bell, Rocky is a bloody mess and Liston has been through his toughest ordeal.

Liston takes the decision and Rock leaves the fight with his head held high.

It would be one of dream matches of all time.

 

It's funny that the questions only become "stupid" to those who cannot accept the truth within them.

I think it's a tough fight for Rocky and also a tough fight for Sonny. But it seems there are enough Marciano sceptics out there to take umbrage with anything that makes it logical that it is a tough match up.

It's a pity that these sceptics get so offended.

 

They take umbrage at agenda driven garbage.

 

Beating a weary, 37 year old Joe Louis is the same as beating a prime Sonny Liston?

Liston lost to "a lighter puncher than Marciano"? As though if you don't mention his name no one will remember that it was Muhammad Ali?

If it's necessary to distort the facts to this extent to make a case for Marciano then this really must be an easy one for Liston.

 

They were both great fighters.
Both are actually dumped on around here.

 

And so is Marciano.

Many of the people who dump on Marciano are probably the same as those who dump on Frazier.

Having said that, I think Liston would beat them both quite severely.
But Liston was a special fighter with the most dangerous assets to put against fighters of Marciano and/or Frazier's type.

 

I'd pick Frazier to beat Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis though !

 

I wouldn't.

 

no it's not the same as beating a great fighter like Sonny Liston in his prime but it is exactly the same as beating a #1 contender who was exactly the same size as Liston. If people want to rule out Marciano on size this is a relevant factor. The 1951 version of Louis was 8-0 over the last 12 months. I imagine that version of Joe beats all the guys Liston beat as a contender.

well yes one of them was indeed Muhammad Ali but the other two were Marty Marshall and Leotis Martin both under 200lb the pair of them. All three were not noted punchers were they? This is indeed a legitimate point.

where is the distortion? Louis was a legitimate #1 contender and as big as Sonny Liston. Sonny was knocked out twice by guys not regarded as punchers, how can this be disputed?

I am sorry but these are legitimate points to make a case for a winner here. Sonny fought in much the same era as Marciano. He lost to a guy lighter than Rocky was. He did quit in title fights. What's wrong with that? Why cannot this be said?

 

You know as well as I do that the only reason Louis was so heavy was that by this stage in his career he was coming in around 12 pounds heavier than in his prime. That's why it's a distortion to quote his weight as though it was evidence of what a formidable opponent he was.

And your "lighter puncher than Marciano" comment was concerning the two Ali fights, nothing to do with Marty Marshall or Leotis Martin.

 

Leotis Martin was a puncher Marty Marshall was a decent puncher too.
Martin beat an of Liston how old we don't know,Sonny ran out of gas,and got caught.
Marshall got a split dec over a green Liston who was fighting with a broken jaw.In their next two fights Liston had him up and down like a yo yo in one and in the other pitched a shut out.
Louis was never the same size as Liston he just accumulated more weight as he aged . This clown is very tiresome, dishonest ,and devious.

 

Fair enough. I won't accuse you of dumping on Frazier for that though.

 

I would pick Marciano to beat Frazier,because of his two handed power,but I dont think there is a gnats c*ck between them,and Frazier's faster hands and bigger frame might easily have beaten Rocky. They are respectively my numbers 11 and 12 in an all time list.