Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

Funny cos I heard that Liston was having lunch with an older Marciano and told Rocky he'd beat him if they fought and Rocky challenged him to spar which he declined.

As for the fight, very hard to gauge how it would play out.

How is Rocky gonna handle Liston's jab?

Can Rocky take Liston's power?

Can Liston take Marciano's?

Is Rocky gonna be able to get on the inside?

Is Liston gonna being to lose confidence or tire from Marciano's workrate?

I'm seriously torn, if Marciano has success nuetralizing Liston's jab and has success getting on the inside I believe he could take it, if he can't Liston wins.

 

I see you are into the christian spirit of sunday once more...:yep

 

I could agree if sonny was a dance master and rocky was easy to hit with the jab and only a moderatly strong swarmer with no real punch but Rocky was very strong, hard to hit with a jab and had two handed power. size wise Liston is still shorter and lighter than old joe louis, even if sonny is younger and more dangerous the size is not a problem in itself for rocky. Even so at least in title fights old joe Louis would stay in a fight when the going got tough...

 

i dont know why ali is being mentioned in this thread unless rocky is gonna dance and circle liston in order to win lol - ali fought outside, rocky fights inside (with his reach disadvantage he won't score on the outside). liston wont lose heart when rocky's eating his punches. he only lacked heart when he was hitting thin air v ali.

 

Liston would have to be a dance master to outjab Rocky? Choklab, you're crazy.

 

Liston walked you down with the jab. He hurt you on the way in with it then he was within punching range. Thats ok against a conventional stand up boxer but Marciano was unconventional. When did Liston keep a guy "away" with the jab? It was not a "keep you away" jab. Joe Louis also had a great walk you down jab but it wasnt much use against Arturo Godoy or Tony Galento. Both strong crouching maulers. Likewise Liston vs marciano IMO.

Liston would use his jab but since it was not as fast as Ali's (because it was a diferent type of jab) would'nt he have less sucsess with the jab than Ali says he had with Rocky? IMO I think Liston would use his jab less because he would strugle to find the room and land cleanly with it..

 

Marciano came straight forward and Liston would punish him for that.

It gets stopped in the later rounds due to Marciano being cut prone.

 

Wouldn’t Liston lose heart if he was smothered and mauled inside. A facefull of elbows, heads and shoulders?
Marciano cant score on the outside. He never did. Is Liston keeping Rocky on the outside? If Sonny does he will be using a style alien to him and we would be presuming something we never saw Liston do - that’s as ridiculous as (lol) Rocky dancing and circling...:good

 

If Marciano could stay on the inside without getting killed getting there, he can win. Marciano working on a man's gut, will bring anybody down. I don't care who it is.

Eating Liston's jabs will bring anybody down.

I think the fight is a coin toss. If they fought 10 times, it may wind up 5-5.

 

He'd pound Rocky with the jab and once in range he'd pound him with hooks.

Rocky can't beat him outside and I don't fancy him to win the exchanges inside.

Rocky might outlast him in a finish fight but he certainly won't win enough rounds in a 15 round fight. I see no way for him other than to outlast Sonny.

 

Liston wasn't that bad on the inside himself ... Patterson found that out the hard way

Marciano never beats Liston just like he would never beat Foreman ... just a bad matchup

Liston wins 100% of the time

 

What fighter would persevere with the forth consecutive jab when the last 3 missed? Because I have boxed I can tell you its unlikely to happen and that this example is not one I used or need to find on film just to amuse you.
If a fighter cannot risk the chance of a jab not landing as cleanly as he wants it to he throws less of them. If a punch wont work the way he wants he will try another punch more often. In other words he is forced to adapt. If that means his jab is less effective or neutralised it is the same thing. Forget about the percentage I used for the sake of example, it boils down to this. Some fighters are hard to hit with a jab. Marciano was one of them. If lots of people talk about Marciano having to take a pounding coming in from a punch that was hard to hit him with anyway I will assume its effectiveness is reduced considerably.
　
　

Ok. Answer me this, how effective and evident was Joe Louis’s excellent “walk you down” jab against Arturo Godoy the first time they fought?

 

Ok, thats a fair assesment and you are entitled to it. Patterson was no where near as effective inside as marciano though was he? or as durable? or as strong? I cant prove it, just saying...