Rocky Marciano vs Sonny Liston

Where are:
Nino Valdes
Earl Walls
Clarence Henry
Bob Baker
Heinz Neuhaus
Bob Dunlap
Coley Wallace
Bob Satterfield
Tommy Harrison
On Marciano's?
Marciano's best wins are over a 37 year old, a 33 year old , and a 40/42 year old.


Two were better as light heavyweights , and all were past prime.

 

I think that he was too busy fighting the men who were ranked above them, and the men who had beaten them.

Marciano might not have come along in the best era, but his title reign is almost irreproachable.

 

Nobody fights everybody but Marciano exhausted his division more clearly than Sonny. Who ever was at the top Rocky knocked out. If they were just old why were they at the top?

The period Marciano was champion is known as the Marciano era. The dominating heavyweights that span Rockys career were Louis, Charles and Walcott. Rocky knocked them all out.

Sonny shared an era with Ingo Patterson and Ali. Ingo is a notable absence. This is not a clear out.

 

I think it does to be honest, because whatever conclusion we reach, this will be the bottom line.

What Marciano did in the real world, means a lot more to me than what I think Liston might have done to him.

 

My point is you can always show names champions missed.

 

But that's not the subject of the thread.

 

Marciano's "real world" stopped when he was 32. Folks here are castigating Liston for sh*t that happened when he was AT LEAST 34 and quite likely a few years older... and sh*t that happened under shady circumstances.

 

Johannson was offered a million dollars to fight Liston , he turned it down.Hardly Sonny's fault.

 

Louis,Charles and Walcott had a combined age of 101! Old and past prime fighters suited his unparalled condition ,and unrelenting grinding style.

 

I agree. Liston was a great talent. Astonishing attributes.

If I appear to come down hard on him it is not because I don't think he was a great fighter. He was!

It's just that I feel there needs to be more substance to go on to afford Liston guaranteed superiority over more proven champions.

 

Who do you think would win in a fight between Gennady Golovkin and Julio Cesar Chavez?

 

It's not that simple. The 25lb differential between Chavez and Golovkin represents a greater percentage on men lighter than 161lb.

Liston was 199lb on his debut and Rocky was 192lb. They started out within pounds of each other. You can't say that about Chavez and Golovkin debut weights.

 

Then then pick Liston, but do so on the understanding that you are making a massive assumption in his favour.

One which might be warranted, but which he manifestly hasn’t earned in the ring.