Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston.

Ali was a world famous celebrity the most famous in the world at the time.Liston was an 8 fight unknown,hardly surprising one was publicized and the other was not. You're flogging a dead horse here, I'd dismount if I were you.

 

I think you tried to dismount a long time ago but your foot got caught in the stirrup, now you're getting dragged all over the place....

 

Here is another good article by Sharnik interviewing a Liston sparring partner. this one 1962.

http://www.si.com/vault/1962/09/24/624848/a-sparring-partner-looks-them-over

 

I think it's a crock of sh*t and I pulled it to bits when it was first posted here.I'll give a few ludicrously biased examples.
"Folley had Liston cowering in a corner "Folley couldn't manage to see out 3 rds,he was dropped for 2 9 counts in the 2nd rd and demolished at 28seconds of the 3rd.

"Williams had Liston all but out".At no time in their 2 fights was Liston in danger of bing stopped by Williams.
"Whitehurst took Liston to 2 points decisions".Technicallly correct but he omitted that when the final bell went in their 2nd fight Whitehurst was out of the ring where Sonny had belted him.The last bell saved Whitehurst from a ko.

"In the 3rd fight Marshall hurt Liston".
Marshal did not win a round against Sonny in their 3rd fight and he ran all night.
"De John staggered Liston ,and had to be restrained when the fight was stopped".

Heavyweight contender Sonny Liston, with 16 straight victories under his belt, apologized today for uppercutting Big Mike DeJohn while he was "down," and yelled for a fight with a higher ranking contender. "I want Eddie Machen, Zora Folley or Nino Valdes for my next fight," declared Liston of Philadelphia, who floored DeJohn of Syracuse, N.Y., twice Wednesday night with solar-plexus punches for a technical knockout in the sixth round of their TV fight. After referee Jimmy Peerless had stopped the bout at 2:43 of the sixth round before 3,858 at the Miami Beach Exhibition Hall, the fight was almost resumed in DeJohn's corner. When the victorious Philadelphian danced across the ring to shake hands with vanquished Mike, DeJohn refused to shake and angrily accused Sonny of uppercutting him when down on one knee the second time. Mike called Sonny a name. Liston swung at him and missed. Then their handlers separated them. Liston, weighing 209¼ pounds and standing 6-feet-1, admitted later, "Yes, I uppercutted him all right, but I didn't know he had a knee on the floor. I thought he was just squattin' like he did a couple of times earlier. I'm sorry about it but he's so tall, I didn't realize he had a knee down." Sonny was favorite at 12-5.
" Howard King went toe to toe with Liston for 8 rds".
"Sonny Liston of Philadelphia punched his way to the biggest purse of his career to date when he scored an 8th round TKO over Howard King of Reno, Nev., in a scheduled 10 round main event at the Miami Beach Auditorium. Liston ran up against a tough customer in King, but the Philadelphian's darting, crunching left hand gradually weakened his opponent. However, it was a right to the midsection just as the bell sounded ending the 7th round that floored King. King was examined by a physician between rounds and ruled unfit to continue." -Associated Press

 

You think WRONG! I'm bang in the middle of my comfort zone, exposing agendas and haters.

 

You've got ask yourself this question, why did Liston face the man three times??????

 

Why not, experience? Do you think the fights were close and that they merited re-matches Because Liston ko'd him in the 2nd fight after scoring multiple knockdowns ,and Marshall did not win a round in the 3rd fight because he ran all night.Educate me why did he?

 

I'm guessing him losing the first bout and then getting dropped in the second fight might have had something to do with it, could be wrong though......

 

For that to work you have to show proof that he dropped Liston and no one has!So epic fail!

 

How do you know he didn't? the fight was not filmed and Folley did have an albeit brief spell where he was doing all right. Sports Illustrated described the finish as

"Liston hunched down, cowering behind his massive forearms, and waited. The punches flew off him the way bullets ricochet off Superman's red, white and blue chest." It was a big right hand which finished off Folley leaving him on the cavas face down, out."

I don't agree with that one. How can It be seen as that biased though? It was a real slugfest. How do we know there might be a report somewhere that describes Sonny being in more trouble than I think he was.

he did go the distance twice even if Burt was down at the bell at the end of one of them.

according to Liston claimed Marshall.

there was an altercation. There is no film. perhaps both were restrained.

Howard did go 8 rounds and even your report said Howard was "tough".

 

You can't prove Sonny didn't get a count.

Most things point to it happening though.

 

IQUOTE="choklab, post: 18272223, member: 50845"]How do you know he didn't? the fight was not filmed and Folley did have an albeit brief spell where he was doing all right. Sports Illustrated described the finish as

"Liston hunched down, cowering behind his massive forearms, and waited. The punches flew off him the way bullets ricochet off Superman's red, white and blue chest." It was a big right hand which finished off Folley leaving him on the cavas face down, out."

I don't agree with that one. How can It be seen as that biased though? It was a real slugfest. How do we know there might be a report somewhere that describes Sonny being in more trouble than I think he was.

he did go the distance twice even if Burt was down at the bell at the end of one of them.

according to Liston claimed Marshall.

there was an altercation. There is no film. perhaps both were restrained.

Howard did go 8 rounds and even your report said Howard was "tough".[/QUOTE]
Its a biased account ,that is obvious.The use of the word "cowering," implies fear Liston won both the 1st and 2nd rds and put Folley away in opening 28seconds of the third! The report of the DeJohn fight does not mention DeJohn"staggering", Liston.

It's a blatantly biased,dishonest , and misleading article and you are performing all kinds of gyrations to continue to try and make the bull sh*t credible .

 

You cant prove it did ,and most things point to it NOT happening .Show me a report by a reliable source ,not the comic you produced before, that was laughable.

 

have you got a contemporary source for the second fight that says Liston did NOT get a count?

if not then you have no more proof.

why didnt anybody at the time who was there come out and say Marshall was a flat out liar? did that make news Anderson says he disagreed with the refs decision to give Sonny a count. he a knowledge a count.

the only oficial truth is the printed result. it appears all the details (including the number of times marshall went down) that have made it to print on this second meeting comes from Marshall and andersons later interviews.

is there an available contemporary report that verify or denied marshals other claims in that fight?

 

I understand mcvey's scepticism, but I wonder .....
If a contemporary report isn't produced does that mean we have to throw out the idea that Liston knocked Marshall all those (alleged) times too ?