Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston.

So all fighters age the same? What an asinine point.

 

Liston is absolutely fascinating. A great heavyweight fighter and absolutely fascinating.

some people believe as good as liston was in real life he was actualy EVEN beter than he was allowed to be based mysteries that cant be proved.

if he did throw the ali fights does it prove he could have won them?

If Sonny was much older than he was belived to be does it prove he was even beter when he was younger?

These mysteries answer and excuse all of listons shortcomings. for every negative on Liston there is a myth that excuses it.

burt sugar wrote that folley was blinded by stuff on listons gloves perhaps that is another mystery i should not accept?

If we accept the facts of light heavyweight Marshal decking Sonny. The points defeat from Marshal. The disputed wins over Summerlin. The one round knockout loss against Ali. The knockout loss to Leotis Martin. And the grinding down beating that caused a corner retirement against a 7-1 underdog cassius Clay...its actually quite a lot to count against Sonny against another proven great fighter.

 

So, you are essentially comparing a 37 year old (likely 43), long past-prime fighter against a prime version of Marciano and suggesting that is equitable? And worse, you are suggesting that is not asinine?

Offer a reasonable point and your position will hold water.

 

You didn't understand one part of my comment. He asked if Liston would get knocked down by Moore and I said Idk. You understand that? Then I said I DO know that Liston took the 10 count against a fighter who was nowhere near the ko artist that Marciano was (Ali). Nowhere in my comment did I compare Moore and Marciano. It seems you are confused. I obviously compared Ali and Marciano's ko ability.

You are the one who is making asinine comments.

 

You are claiming that Liston's punch resistance at near or over 40 years of age is relevant in a mythical match-up (prime for prime) with Marciano.

OK, how about I use Marciano's first performance against Ted Lowry as a measuring stick in estimating his chances against Liston?

 

Now your changing your argument as usual. Which one is it? Was I comparing Moore and Marciano or Liston and Marciano? Also, when was Listons "prime" so we are on the same page.

Make up your mind then get back to me.

 

Hang on, Foreman knocked out Moorer at what age? Archie Moore wasn't just an old man. He was knocking out #2 heavyweight contenders and outpointing #1 HW contenders. He was nota hand picked LH. Archie earned that shot ten fold.

 

So, you can name two fighters who accomplished something at that age. Great.

May I name the other 4 million that retired, like Marciano, before their mid-30's?

 

Why would that matter, Liston isn't fighting Louis ,he is fighting a much smaller guy in Marciano.so stylistically Liston is going to be able to better capitalize on a short swarmer Marciano than boxer/puncher Louis. Im pretty sure Cleveland Williams who was winning against Liston before he was k.od would beat Louis of 51.

 

This is a thread about Marciano v Liston, correct? Prime for prime, correct?

I assumed you were comparing Liston and Marciano and you were referencing the Martin KO in comparison to the Moore KD of Marciano. Is this right? If not, sorry for bumbling in.

 

I was referencing the second Ali knockout. It's all good.

 

The one that has fix all over it? Of course because then you use it as reference for Marciano k.oing Liston. smh

The hard truth is Marciano was lucky to win against Moore and Walcott, even slid by Lastarza and Charles,none of these guys would be near the level threat as Liston so not sure why you think using fighter comparisons favor Marciano ,it doesn't. Certainly Marciano was no Ali who could have options to stay away from Liston.,using his SIZE..lol

 

"It was a good right-hand punch," Liston said after the fight. "It made me groggy. I got to my knees but fell the second time because I was off balance....I could have got up, but I didn't hear the count."

Get your trash posts out of here.

 

Wow yes this proves everything based on Liston...good find..

 

Not going to read this thread, but Sonny would have beaten the crap out of Marciano.