Rocky Marciano vs Ted Lowry and Roland LaStarza

Irrelevant to this discussion we are assessing the merits of Archie Moore, ie great light heavyweight ,very good heavyweight .Try and stay on track.

 

No they are very relevant, even more so seeing as though they actually beat the ATG's I'm referring to.........

 

Their results against those respective opponents do not ,in any way shape or form help us evaluate Archie Moore as a heavyweight boxer.I could illustrate why ,each fighters respective development ,his condition,his age etc but what's the point? You'll make another post that has nothing to do with the subject on hand and then another, and another , its like a Pavlovian reflex from you , so Bye.

 

No but it elevates Rocky above those fighters who you give a pass for their losses.

 

Although Lowry felt he won their first bout (6-4) he did not write that he knocked Rocky down. One eye witness scored the bout for Rocky 6-4. Three judges scored the fight.

"I went the distance with him twice: two 10-round fights, no knockdowns; 20 rounds with supposedly the greatest fighter ever, as viewed by some."

 

"Michael J. Thomas of the Providence Journal wrote, "Marciano did not win the fight. This reporter gave it to Lowry, six rounds to four.”

The crowd of 3,696 booed the decision and some wondered if Lowry had thrown the fight. "There were some questions as to whether Lowry, who had come close to knocking out Marciano in the second, third and fourth rounds, deliberately bogged down in his attack after the fourth stanza," Thomas wrote. "Lowry stopped using his uppercut after the fourth. He went into a shell and only occasionally landed power shots. He seemed to be carrying Marciano."

In his book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times, Russell Sullivan wrote the following:

"It was Lowry, not Marciano, who was on the verge of scoring an early knockout, stinging Marciano with two terrific rights in the first round and then rocking him with two mighty uppercuts in the second. By the fourth, a staggered Marciano seemed just one punch away from being knocked out. But then, inexplicably, Lowry stopped fighting and retreated into a shell despite warnings from the referee to open up and a cascade of boos from the crowd. To many, it appeared that Lowry was deliberately carrying Marciano. Was foul play afoot? Was Lowry getting paid to lose? Or was he merely tiring? Whatever the reason, a revived Marciano managed to rally in the late rounds even though many of his punches missed their mark or lacked force. On the basis of his aggressiveness and constant punching, Marciano won a unanimous decision from the judges. Most observers felt, however, that Lowry should have won."
Lowry, who earned $2,500 for the fight, denied he threw the fight. "I beat Rocky that night and that’s it," he said. "He changed his strategy in the fifth round and made a fight of it, but I won two of the last six rounds after winning the first four. It was a hometown decision."



We will never know.

 

Lowry himself wrote that after round four Marciano changed his style circling rather than attacking and this changed the manner in which Lowry fought. Lowry never stated anything about carrying Marciano.

 

The Providence Journal

"Marciano was much busier of the two however, particularly after the 4th. He landed 3 punches to Lowry's 1 from the 5th round on, concentrating wholly on the body. His aggressiveness and constant punching probably was what caught the eye of the 3 officials, but his thrusts lacked sting to be effective."

 

Lowry didn't, the boxing writers did.
Lowry also named Archie Moore as his toughest opponent.

"Michael J. Thomas of the Providence Journal wrote, "Marciano did not win the fight. This reporter gave it to Lowry, six rounds to four.”

 

Have you seen the fight yourself?

 

Yes they did but the point is Lowrys comments concerning the bout explain the reporters perception. Marciano changed how he was fighting Lowry after round four which then altered the manner Lowry was fighting Marciano. Lowry became less effective.

Sam Silverman the promoter who brought Lowry to that card that night and who thought prior to the bout that Lowry would beat Rocky felt Marciano won the fight via his body work.

 

You know the obvious answer to that!

 

No they don't the reporters "perception" was written and published the next day! Lowry made his comments years later! Sam Silverman who made some of Rocky's matches said he could have just as much trouble beating a third rater as a top man.
Your"interpretation," of what Silverman said is a little different from the quote I have.
"Lowry was a defensive fighter ,he didn't throw many hard punches,but seldom took any.
Rocky kept battering Tiger to the body,trying to bring his defences down,but he knew how to take the punches and held on for the ten round distance".SamSilverman.
Please don't take me for some newbie idiot!

 

Marciano was a work in progress. He did better against Lowry the second time.

 

Anyone mention that Lowry was 1-10 over his last 11 going into that fight and would go 3-14 after the fight? Just a bit of context.