Rocky Marciano vs the 80s heavyweights.

Going to a barbecue now I'll check it later.:good

 

By the way Mac, it has hit 40 for 3 days this week, settling down to mid 30's now, but we have yet to face August.:good Oh, and it's muggy with it.:-(

 

Marciano did not invent feinting with the jab. Sorry to burst your bubble on that one. It's something every amateur is taught at a certain level and surely every professional. It's not some piece of magical information that Marciano alone possessed or utilized.

With Jim Jacobs' film collection at his disposal and an obsession for the sport, Tyson watched every great- Marciano included- over his early, formative years. I'm sure he noted the things Marciano did well and the things he had to do in order to overcome his physical shortcomings.

However, Tyson was much more physically gifted than Marciano. He had far quicker hands and feet and his balance was league's better. Early and prime Tyson exhibited balletic balance and coordination between upper and lower body in order to work himself into range against larger, longer heavies. If people want to claim Marciano's coordination and balance were equivalent it is only a proclamation of ignorance.

What is the impulse to hitch Marciano to Tyson's wagon? Can't Marciano's accomplishments and status stand on their own? I think they can. Is it an attempt to prove he would have some relevance in the post-Liston era of heavyweights and that he might in fact dominate in that era?

 

Despite any predictions we make, we will never know **** about him against the 80s heavyweights. Two different times with different training techniques and tools.

 

You can burst that stupid bubble all you want because it isn't mine. I never made such a claim. If you like blowing up your own bubbles and bursting them, you are free to do so.

No kidding.

A claim was made that Marciano wouldn't be able to punch Tucker out of the crouch.

I have countered with the example of Tyson using the jab feint to move Tucker into right hands in the middle rounds. Marciano also liked to use to a jab feint to bait his opponents into right hands.

The jab feint Tyson was using in this instance was not executed with any extra finesse, speed, balance, or athleticism than Marciano's . So an argument can in fact be made that Marciano can hit Tucker out of the crouch.

This sounds like a personal problem, good luck with it.

 

Some guys just find ways to win. Just no quit and undying belief in the power they have to know a guy out. Rocky had that and you can't rate it compare it or train it. Tyson never had that. That's why he got knocked out. Most of the guys on that list would tire out from the pressure of a guy stalking them that they know could end it any moment

 

Here we go again with the same recycled ass wipe, bulls**t. Because Marciano knocked over a couple of big stiffs, 2 L/Heavies in Moore, and Charles, plus an old Walcott, he automatically KO's every 6'3" + 225+ lb Heavy from the 80's, and not only that, he is going to do it at any given time with just one shot. This is because the crouch he fought out of, apparently resembled Tyson's upright bobbing and weaving style.

The world window licker's society couldn't make up such nonsense, never mind a so called boxing forum.

 

Infantile.

Sometimes the obvious is invited to be restated. Which Joe Gans' moves did he nick?

I'm sure Marciano would get to him occasionally but even then he's going to have to close the gap which he didn't have the footspeed or upperbody speed to do consistently. He's going to have to elude or eat the jab/right hand of a world class 6-5, 82" reach heavyweight, not some tall bum off the Providence Ham and Egg Circuit. That's going to eat up a lot of his energy and accumulate a significant amount of damage in the process. To get in position to throw a feint that draws a response, you need to be in range.

And again, you are taking one instance out of a career to illustrate a very broad point which is just the flimsiest of footing for an argument.

I see Marciano trying very hard to get in range, landing a few shots, but Tucker - with his stout chin, immense physical advantages and solid skillset- wearing him down and doing the most accumulative damage. I see Tony stronger in the clinches and able to push around Marciano, wearing him down further. It's a brutal and dreadful science in these types of matchups that, in reality, allows little chance for something like Tony walking in (and down into) a shot a la a decrepit Walcott.

Good Luck with finding a less desperate tact in rationalizing Marciano being a dominant heavyweight in the truly modern era.

 

Seamus

You constantly refer to heavyweight champion of the world jersey Joe Walcott as "shot"

Does this really look shot to you?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0hZKnQ07IE

 

Bald, old with multiple flat out KO losses on his record with a borderline journeyman record, yeah I would also call that "shot "

 

Watch that clip, that's a prime Ezzard Charles he knocks out.

Bald old, yet ripped out of his mind. Unbelievable physique

 

Borderline e journeyman record? Maybe you should read his book. Awesome read by James curll, then you will understand why he lost so often in the 1930s

From 1945-1948 he had one of the best runs in heavyweight history. He cleaned out the top 10, he beat guys like Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins, Joey Maxim, tommy Gomez, joe Baksi, hatchetman Sheppard, lee w Murray, lee Oma...all of these men were top 10 fighters. Some of them were feared skilled punchers that you covet.
Then he went out as a 21 to 1 underdog and dam near dethroned all time great joe Louis, but the judges robbed him.

Walcott was an all time great. Period.

 

Walcott was not a legitimate Heavyweight in my book and those guys you metioned are the who's who's of tomatoe cans, nothing but record padding.

 

Ezzard Charles and Joe Louis tomato cans?

Thanks for the laugh

 

they know not Suzie but you are accurate, a very skilled ATG that could punch with either hand