Rocky marciano vs the future champions

Actually a 4 inch difference officially. The difference between Maricano and Norris is 1.5 officially.

 

What has one to do with the other?

 

What has one to do with the other?

What about the difference between Marciano and Norris?

 

#1 issue for Rocky detractors = size.
GGG can beat HWs at 160.

I think peoples general intuition will tell them that Marciano was stronger and more powerful than GGG.

So if GGG is hurting heavyweights, punching harder than guys like Povetkin, destroying Andy Ruiz in a wrestling match, then a light bulb should go off in your head about what kind of fighter Rocky was, and what he was capable of.

 

When Golovkin actually beats a heavyweight, get back to me.
ps Posters believing that Marciano does not beat prime, talented, big hitting , super heavyweights are
not ," Rocky detractors". They are realists, not blind hero worshippers.

 

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Please check the tale of the tape for this fight.

 

1. People have posted entire threads about Golata's fights with Bowe and for whatever reason ( I don't know why ) have picked him to beat ATG's based on that.

2. Using the jab and boxing from range is what Orlin did most of the time. He wasn't constantly trying to mall people against the ropes or in corners.

3. Once again.. Norris was a 200 lbs heavyweight from the time he debuted ( or 199 if you want to nitpick. ) Rocky NEVER weighed 200 lbs for a professional fight. So I don't see why they are even being compared.

4. no you didn't.. You systematically ignore that these were past prime opponents and some of whom he LOST to, yet you keeping pushing this down people's throats as if they're any indication that Rocky ( who never even weighed 200 ) would walk into a modern era and compete against pretty much any body.... I'm sorry... I know you believe in your argument have gone through admirable lengths to make your case but I don't agree...

5. Ah good ole' post 181..

6. It's not sour grapes at all and no i don't think Norris was a " bad" fighter. I just don't see how using their careers as a measuring gauge makes any sense.. Furthermore, If you INSIST on doing such, then you have to consider both the good AND The bad which you're not doing. You're style of debate is very choosy and selective. You'll take maybe two or three instances where you saw a fighter doing something and ignore ten other instances where he didn't. You'll take seconds of youtube footage from a fight where you saw a glimpse of one thing happening and dismiss what happened for the other 11 rounds and some seconds.. And when someone calls you out on this guess what? You go right on and do it anyway... Who has time for someone like that?

7. Your assumption that he didn't show up for Vitali is based on your own opinion. I saw a smaller heavyweight get blasted out in one round by a much larger and better one.. Granted I'll make concessions for Norris being past prime, but that doesn't stop you from crediting Orlin for beating Greg Page. And the Nate Miller fight IS relevant. The two of them were about the size of traditional heavyweights from Rocky's era on that evening.. Miller was an average fighter and Orlin got knocked out... Common... If this debate were reversed would you HONESTLY say that you'd steer clear of referencing that one? Norris also lost Cooper.. He lost to Tubbs ( before being changed to a no contest . ) He lost to aging versions of Golata and Tucker who weren't that good by that point and only brawled with them "some" of the time. And lastly, Norris was a career modern heavy who fought over 200 lbs regularly. Rocky never showed that he could carry that sort of weight effectively and to say that he in theory "could" is all speculative.

Great debate but we're going to have to agree to disagree.. If that's possible.

 

I have.. And there about a dozen others out there who's tale of the tape has him at 6'2" 1/2. Thanks

 

Since there are weight classes, the only opportunity he has to clash with a heavyweight is in the gym.
And when those opportunities arose, he succeeded.

 

All his cruiserweight fights he was listed 6'1". He suddenly became a 6'3" heavyweight. Why was this? Did he grow? Cuban heeled boots?

 

Roids do amazing things.

 

Orlin Norris is all anyone needs to know by way of explanation of what is achievable for Marciano sized heavyweights in the modern era.

 

That's really about all there is to it. When you look at a guy who was decked and fought life and death with aging fighters in their late thirties and who weighed between 180-195, what else is one supposed to think? Roy Jones himself said that there was no way he wanted to take a chance with guys like Klit, Lewis, Sanders, etc.. Why does one suppose that is?

 

"Rocky was not a master slipper."

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That's like the opposite of saying Johnny Shkor is all anyone needs to know by way of explanation of what is achievable for Lewis sized heavyweights in yester-years' era.. Would you really believe it?