Rocky marciano vs the future champions

How many rounds would Layne, Vinci, and Walcott (assuming that he fought as aggressively as he did against Marciano) last while taking punches from Lewis and Klitschko? Marciano had back and forth wars and attrition-aided wins over men that bigger punchers like Lewis, Wlad and Bowe would have stopped early.

 

Vingo was a novice.
Layne was softened up by a steady body bombardment before being brought to a standstill ,clever tactics on Marciano's part.Walcott was an old man by boxing standards and never had that great a chin.

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Neither of those HW Champs had seen Lewis,Wlad or Bowe.

 

Vingo was a novice.
Layne was softened up by a steady body bombardment before being brought to a standstill ,clever tactics on Marciano's part.Walcott was an old man by boxing standards and never had that great a chin.

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How many rounds do Lowry,C*ckell,& Lastarza go with Lewis,Wlad & Bowe?

 

209lb Chambers was 10 seconds from the final bell.
Walcott could not only last the distance, he could beat Klitschko.

And my point is not about rounds lasted, it's about damage dealt.
Rocky did serious damage. Not to one guy once. But to a disproportionate amount of his opponents than what is close to normal.

 

Yeah none of those guys are starched.
Those guys got hurt no more than Louis by Rocky, and I'm not counting Louis as completely out.

Layne and Walcott were out. And this is 2 out of 10 fights.
Chambers was out. Wilder put Spilzka out. These guys are motionless until after the 10 count.

Lewis was an all time great puncher, but he never put someone completely out like that unless I'm forgetting a fight.

 

My point is that imo ,he did not hit as hard as Lewis or Wlad, and you said he hit harder. You based that on him beating cruiserweights several of whom were past prime. I've showed you Lewis koing men that would be giants to Rocky.

 

Rocky did hit harder.

Lewis fought like 9 people under 215.
Did he starch a single one?

And now look at Walcott after Rocky hit him with a short right hook.

 

Rocky is held to ridiculous standards

Yes he was the HW champion but that was before the inception of the CW division.

His h2h standing isn't comparable with champions who are already above 200 pounds.

This doesn't mean he couldn't compete at HW. It does mean it requires a leap of faith.

Like Hagler, I'm sure there's plenty of LHW men he could beat. I'm sure he'd weigh 175 against those men, but why would your expect him to have a full career at LHW where he's consistently fighting men 15 pounds heavier than him?

 

You believe what you want , but I don't think you'll find many agreeing with you.

 

That Marciano was champion before the inception of the CW division is a key point.

How big do you think the HW division could have got on its own without steroids?

Remember, giants historically could rarely make the grade before that point.

Fighters after 1985 or so simply would not be the way we remember them. They were likely enhanced beyond what was achievable before, without this they would be more in tune with the previous 100 years if they were restricted to traditional, natural methods. Most of the kinds of champions after 1985 could not have existed at all in any other time.

 

You have no idea if any of what you just said is even remotely true.

For starters weight started increasing most during the 70s.

 

I know that something changed. We all do.

The changes are beneficial because we are seeing older and older fighters competing now. Where ever the cut off point is to determine when we started to get enhanced fighters probably cannot be decided accurately. It is obvious however that all fighters one way or another are carrying artificial weight now. Making comparisons with fighters from before advantages associated with these changes could be enjoyed is probably not a level playing field. I don't think it unreasonable to assume fighters without the benefits of the modern era could be unrecognisable without them.

 

2017 = 244.1
2007 = 247.2
1997 = 230.8
1987 = 213.9
1977 = 210.7
1967 = 198.2
1957 = 192.1
1947 = 200.3
1937 = 194.2
1927 = 199.3

Some time during the 70's average weight increased to over the 200 pound limit by a significant margin. It then increased again slightly over the next decade.

After fights changed from 15 rounds to 12 rounds we saw the biggest change.

Anyone can weigh anything they want. If people want to weigh weigh more to compete with the elite SHW men, let them. If they wanna weigh less and compete with LHW or CW men, let them.

 

Except that's not been a recipe for success historically. ATG HW champs have almost always either been larger or more powerful than average, usually both. Ali would be neither, demonstrably. Marciano might still be more powerful. It's just fan fiction that subjects Rocky to the rules of progress, but exempts Ali. Its not based on reasoned analysis.

 

Being an athlete has always allowed certain fighters to stand above their peers.

Ali, Jones Jr, Whitaker, Leonard, Mayweather and many more.

If you're quick enough where you can hit a man and not be hit in return you have a great recipe for success.

Expecting a 190 pound man to be more powerful than a 240 pound man, that is a good example of fan fiction based on a lack or reasoned analysis.