Rocky marciano vs the future champions

Lol

 

To each their own. But dominant hw champs have been either larger or more powerful than most peers. For me, that's the more telling trend, rather than who what happens on a fight by fight basis, macro trend v micro trend.

 

Do you want me to make a trend based on the amount of times the title changed hands in favour of the quicker man? I guarantee it is no micro trend.

I don't understand how you fail to see the hypocrisy of your pov.

 

Reminds me of blackcloud's recent post.

 

Patterson Johansson Norton Spinks are the ones I see him beating.

 

Anyone still in doubt about the delusional nature of the more fervent "Rockistas" only needs to read this thread's post by Reznik..

Beats Patterson by KO
Beats Ingo by KO
Beats Liston by KO
Loses to 60's Ali by points
Beats Frazier by KO
Beats 70's Ali by points (loses rematches by points)
Loses to Foreman by KO
Beats Holmes by points
Loses to Tyson by KO
Beats Holyfield by KO
Beats Bowe by KO
Beats Lewis by KO
Beats Vitali by KO
Beats Wlad by KO


Surely no other fighter has fans with such a patently tenuous grasp of reality?

 

The question about BMI is easy to answer.
It's because weightlifting was frowned upon for a long time in boxing. And once it wasn't frowned uponuanymore(with Micheal spinks being the first big example) the BMI's went up.
With strength training came strength coaches and rampant abuse of PEDs that were used in powerlifting/bodybuilding leading to even more weight gain.


It's really quite simple. No it doesn't mean that all fighters before the 80s were clean because the PEDs had been around for decades before the 80s and at least some of the fighters must have been aware of them surely

(some of the weight fluctuations with some of our favorite fighters from before the 80s seem suspect as well once you see that a guy after being a certain weight for a year or two suddenly gains 15 pounds in 3 months without an ounce of fat and without lifting weights at all
Or when you see Ken Norton go from an already very muscular 205 ripped to 225 just as ripped, again without lifting weights)

You don't just gain another lean 10-20lbs without lifting weights if you're already a big strong muscular guy who looks like he already lifts weights but apparently doesnt. And you definitely don't do it while still being in shape to fight 15 rounds.

Sorry guys that's not natural.

 

Knocks Patterson out in a much tougher fight than anyone expected
Knocks Ingo out early after shaken up himself
loses to Liston via cuts
Loses to Clay (first Ali) via cuts or if by some miracle he makes the distance, he clearly gets ud'd.
Loses to Frazier in a war
Loses early to Foreman via cuts
Stopped in a FOTC type fight by Ali(70s)
Knocks both of them out Spinks and Norton out early. Norton could get seriously injured.
Holmes. Holmes would prevail via cuts. Virtually certain of this.
Tyson would dominate in the early going but would lose confidence each passing seeing Marciano refuse to go down leading to his inevitable demise.
Holyfield. A slug fest from the start. I'm honestly split. Could be either man's ball game.
Marciano would fight Bowe the same way Holyfield did in their 1st fight. It might've been the wrong style for Holyfield but the perfect style for Marciano.
Lewis. Could see Marciano winning the first one and Lewis successfully adjusting to Marciano's style and beating him the next two times.
Vitali. Stopped by cuts either way. Any man's ball game but slightly leaning towards the rock.
Wladimir. I honestly think it's inevitable Rocky eventually gets past Wladimir's reach and gets to his chin.

 

Nope. Not while he was an active boxer.
Look it up if you want.

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-12-26/sports/sp-7367_1_fighter

the first sentence of Chapter Two "The Norton Rule" of his autobiography reads "People have always asked me how I got my sculpted physique. I can only attribute it to good genes. Honestly I never worked out with weights, and that includes when I was boxing professionally."


PEDs were around since the 1960 when the American Olympic Doctor administered dianabol to the Team.


It just became rampant in the 80s when boxing was introduced to strength and conditioning/weightlifting/bodybuilding which was just completely full with roids

 

In interviews he claimed the opposite.

 

TBH I'm not fussed either way.

 

Norton had gifted genetics. He never touched a weight