Rocky marciano vs the future champions

So Marciano was not prone to being cut? Want to compare his stats regarding cuts with those of his contemparies wearing the same size gloves?

 

Patterson Rocky knocks out.
Johansen Rocky knocks out.
Liston Rocky would knock out.
Clay (first Ali) 50-50 fight Rocky can lose to him. He won't knock Ali out.
Frazier Rocky would knock out.
Foreman 50-50 fight Rocky can lose to him but I think Rocky could do it. George was so green.
Ali(70s) 50-50 fight. Rocky can lose to him.
Norton and Leon Spinks(to me they were not champs)
Holmes Rocky by KO

---------------- Steroids----------------------------
Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis
Vitali
Wladimir

All of these fighters without steroids/modern training I picture as inferior in every way to the champions that came before. I feel it would be unsustainable for them to be the fighters they were WITHOUT the advances they benefited from. They would not be so heavy or fast for their size. Perhaps without these advances Lewis would have been a champion of sorts. Perhaps Tyson, but who knows? They were all enhanced by modern advances. Take it away and what do we have? Thinner slower, less athletic men.

 

Rocky was more prone to cuts with 6oz gloves than he was with the 8oz gloves. And those 8oz gloves he fought Moore and Cokell with were the largest competition gloves he ever fought with and yet they were still padded the old fashioned way with the banned horsehair rather than shock absobant layers of rubber and foam.

With 10oz gloves of today Rocky could be as much as 50% more resistant to cuts. And you know it.

 

Thats like seeing a bullet go through some balsa wood, and assuming it can't go through tougher objects.

 

Cos I enjoy posting about boxing.

You kind of prove my point there though, so thanks for that mate.

 

Rocky did hit harder. And he was a better overall puncher.

What stronger men?
What clue do you have about strength, when your judgement of such a quality is limited to the dimensions of a person?

Golovkin can manhandle SHWs in wrestling and clinches, but you're telling me that Rocky wasn't strong enough? Yawn, lemme know when you wake up from this delusion.

Let's just say 0. That's not the point.
The point is smaller guys who are legendary punchers can hang with bigger fighters.

Might be a bridge too far for Langford to fight all the modern HW champs, but it isn't for Rocky.

 

The difference here is that Holyfield actually did it in reality so we know how he looked, fought and could achieve with 20 extra pounds when he moved up to heavyweight. With Marciano it's just guesswork and speculation on whether he could carry another 20 pounds and be just as effective or more so.

 

@reznick
You mean that Steve Cunningham with the 82" reach?

You mean that loose screw Tyson Fury who was pulling his best Nate Campbell and putting his chin out on a platter?

Hardly analogous to a 67" reach Marciano in serious combat with cagey guys like Lewis or Waldo.

 

It would be impossible for Rocky to be anymore "out of shape" over 200lb anymore than it was for any other 200lb plus 5'11" fighter to be out of shape in the modern era.

Don't forget the modern era is making men who would not pass US Army requirements (based on their disproportionately over developed physiques Making them too heavy for their age and height) into dominant World champions the vast majority of the time!!

 

But weren't you saying that the champions today are too big?

I don't get how the champions today are too big for the champions in the past, but yet Tyson Fury got the most trouble from one of his smallest opponents?

I don't understand that.

 

Idk man.

I think he would start to lose his tone, but still far away from being fat and out of shape.

How much do you think Rocky has to weigh to have the same body tone as Povetkin?

Plus, I look at a guy like James Toney who put on all that weight and stayed competitive. And I can't imagine Rocky not having a much better success than him.

 

---------------- Steroids----------------------------
Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis
Vitali
Wladimir

All of these fighters without steroids/modern training I picture as inferior in every way to the champions that came before. I feel it would be unsustainable for them to be the fighters they were WITHOUT the advances they benefited from. They would not be so heavy or fast for their size. Perhaps without these advances Lewis would have been a champion of sorts. Perhaps Tyson, but who knows? They were all enhanced by modern advances. Take it away and what do we have? Thinner slower, less athletic men.