^ Yes, this. If Marciano had been accurate as well, he'd have been 1-shotting guys all the time. But unfortunately through a mixture of short reach, lack of true explosive speed and loading up his shots, Marciano often had to settle for merely landing a blow as opposed to landing it on a targetted part of the body.
You srsly believe the drivels you´re posting? The fellow who couldn´t shred another 5lb to make 175 trains down from a piggy 210, then for some reasons loads up to fight-ready 215-230 to make himself a immoveable sitting duck against the 6'5" behemoth of today Anything else? Thats a hell of a good medicine for this board. Well done! Give RBV (Rockista Brain Virus) no chance. Thanks.
As soon as he fought for the title, his opponents lasted an avarage 9.4 rounds for the next 7 fights! PP my arse! Excluding the corpse of Joe Louis who took him another 8 and INCLUDING the KO1 outlier against Walcott who wanted to get up....
These were the Rocks words not mine. He said not me. Try taking some medicine for your lack of reading comprehension. And yes people train up today. And if Rocky is “piggy” ag 210 can’t imagine what you think of Ruiz
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the better the competition the longer the opponents should last. Otherwise they shouldn’t be fighting or competing for title shots.
He said he´s dumb enough to load up a pile of fat to go 12 rounds against avr. 230lb giants? In contrast to you, from what i saw of him, he´s very well smart enough to know what he was capable to do.
WTF!!! I don't think anybody who posts regularly here would refer to me as a "Rockista", a term I originated BTW.
Did Listons, Foremans, Tysons, Fraziers, Durans, Hearns, Pacs, Jones etc. fight-lenght double to avr. 9.4 rounds (that INCLUDEDS Walcotts KO1 getting up!) when they stepped up?
I would wager all the money in the world that their averages went up. It’s common sense. It SHOULD go up. Unless the competition you’re facing isn’t very good. Marcianos average KO rate is only beaten by six other men in history at HW. And the difference between them is paltry. Is that the best you can do this morning?
Again, its 9.4 avr rounds including the Walcott KO1, who was the only case of a quick KO when he had title fights (against aging fighters). Liston started his KO reign when he shook the brake in 56. Two Patterson massacres. Foremans prime ended with Ali, his prime avr. KO rounds is the lowest off all fighters that I know, including three brutal stoppages of 1+2+2 rounds. Prime MT (for most until Douglas or under Rooney) is 5.2-5.7 rounds with 5 five quick KOs. Three fighters took him 10 rounds prior to that too. Frazier in his prime until GF got 6.5 rounds in 10 wins, achiving 6 quick KOs and 2 UDs against Ali and Bonavena. Many call him an attrition puncher. So no, no one got 9.4 slow rounds with one quick outlier (and I bet that this is an outlier in any statistical analysis!). Sry. ---> Rocky Marciano was an attrition puncher
Oddly you fail to mention the fights they lost in. Marciano wasn’t in prime his last two fights and I’d say you have to take the career as a whole and analyze it. In saying that only six men took out opponents quicker. You can attempt to nonsensically cherry pick and add three fighters whom no one disputes hit harder then Marciano (except Frazier is disputable). But it doesn’t change the fact that he took out opponents quickly. And guess what he wasn’t knocked out like Tyson or Liston. Better he took a little longer to take out his opponent then get knocked out wouldn’t you say?
This is no debate where and if a fighter lost. KO-% make no sense for fighters who are loosing and/or fighting to long into their career, its a ratio of how many fights a boxer could end if the fighter had the chance to end a fight (winning): KO% = stoppages/wins Anything else makes zero sense in a world of numbers and statistics, because no one is interested in looking at George Foremans losses when he did make an comeback. Its about fighters at their best, which we are talking here. And you may include other light to WW, MW or LHW champs. Not many will hav a zero quick knockout and a balooning of rounds when they stepped up. At least no one would call them a KO-artists. Because KO-artists don´t tango their title opponents for 11 rounds avr. plus 1 shady quick KO. Btw, to balance these outliers its worth noting to look at the median too.
Of course you take a fighters losses into account. It’s absurd not to. The losses were fights as well. Which were also failures at knocking out opponents. You can cherry pick in your own mind id prefer to stay in reality. Marciano didn’t hit as hard as Foreman or Liston or Tyson but that’s not the argument. The argument is if he had power and the undeniable fact is yes of course he had power. And no it’s not overrated. Unless results are overrated? Because Marciano has the highest Ko percentage amongst Hw champs. Which you’ve stated is oh so important
Errrrrrrrr. Sort of. His style was for the most part to break his opponents down incrementally, but he was also good at setting up a finish. He has the highest KO% of any lineal heavyweight champion, and he fought in an era of defensive specialists.
