Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Shawn Kemp, Jun 27, 2013.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    So Steward, in your opinion was a racist?
    There is no other possible interpretation of your comments.
    Eddie Futch named as his three best heavyweights,in no order Ali, Johnson, and Louis.
    Was he a racist too?
    Intelligence ? Dignity? LOL!

    FYI here are some of my previous comments on Marciano
    "Great Fighter"." Great Champ" . "Fine Man".
    " Possibly The Hardest Puncher Ever Under 190lbs". " Of Those Under 190lbs, I Would Give Only Dempsey ,& Langford Good Chances Of Beating Him".
    There is dumb ,and then there is dumber.
     
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  2. Spreadeagle

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    Well no,my comment about Emanual Steward's greatness was in the context of my post.Did I accuse
    you of denying Steward's status as a trainer ? No I didn't.
    Without wishing to make this too personal you have made yet another redundant comment.
    If memory serves me right Emanuel rated Muhammad Ali as his no 1,with George Foreman,Larry
    Holmes and Lennox Lewis making up the rest of his top 4.At least in a H2H rating. A perfectly, reasonable,logical rating.
    I don't remember Steward giving a defined top 10 ATG heavyeight list as such but judging from comments
    he made about Joe Louis and Sonny Liston it's highly probable that he rates those 2 ATGs in his
    all-time top 10.
    Getting back to your accusations of Emanual Steward's alleged racial bias,he rates Wladimir Klitschko
    as no 8 in his all-time 10 heavyweight-champions.Just thought I'd mention it.
     
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  3. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Of course, he will list Wlad in his top - he was his trainer. But how about the rest? What Emanuel was right about is he never really gave any definitive top, which is the right thing to do.

    What is a "redundant comment" is one based on the validity of your claim "in the context of your post" - what if I do the same thing? Which is pretty stupid.

    You don't have to write it directly "you deny the greatness of Emanuel" in order to insist I do (which I don't). So you say you never accused me of that, so what was the point of even reminding me what kind of trainer he was?
     
  4. choklab

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    despite losing to Nino, Ezzard was due a shot whole lot more than Nino Valdes because of his resume. Ideally they should have rematched. No matter. As soon as Ez was winning fights it was Charles who was looking like the second best HW in the world. Not Valdes.

    I don’t think anyone was saying that. Please don’t go down that road. I think everyone respects steward.
     
  5. Reinhardt

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    I'll give you one thing,,,you don't know when you're beaten.
     
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  6. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Keep deluding yourself and be satisfied,,,,,, I'll give you that,,,,,,,
     
  7. Spreadeagle

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    Strewth ! Your opening line was ''like I denied his status as a trainer''. A totally unnecessary defensive response by yourself hence my rebuttal.Are you really that obtuse ?
    Anyway let's move onto the main issue.You have accused the great Emanual Stewart opinions
    being influenced by racism.This is utter nonsense.
    Emanual Stewart trained the white heavyweight known as Wladimir Klitschko with diligence and skill which
    played a huge part in Wlad becoming one of history's greatest heavyweights. Steward then stated that Wlad
    was the 8th greatest heavyweight in history.
    So much for Steward being influenced by racism ! The fact that Steward trained Klitschko doesn't automatically
    invalidate his opinion of Wlad.It's a perfectly reasonable assessment of Klitschko's abilities and career.
     
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  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    What was initially unnecessary is you explaining what every boxing fan knows - that Emanuel is a great trainer. But I am fine being obtuse for another *oron, considering you persistently mistype his name.

    "A bit racially biased" and "influenced by racism" are very different things, but I now see that your potential goes as far as equalising them.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Mad Pigeon has expressly implied it!
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    FFS!
     
  11. MAD_PIGE0N

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    No, but it takes just to be stupid enough to take it that way and apparently... :applaudit:He is like a fly that is constantly searching for a sh*t.
     
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  12. Spreadeagle

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    Oh dear.......yes I was a bit slack with the misspellings.At the risk of sounding pedantic you
    have also been guilty of misspelling Emanuel Steward's name.Just saying.
     
  13. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Already empty. Now try be more pedantic to you, especially when it comes to English.
     
  14. Spreadeagle

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    Hmmm.......your sentence doesn't make sense.Rather like your views on Emanuel Steward and racism.