15 rounds at middleweight. How would each fighter deal with the other's power? Valdez fought difficult fights with Briscoe and Monzon...But before discounting Carter's chances, remember he fought in a very difficult era, facing among others Tiger,Mims, Benton, Giardello, Ellis, Griffith, Fernandez, Gonzales, and Archer...The sixties were absolutely brutal with the depth of talent at middleweight. At his best around 1963 or so...Carter was a dynamic offensive fighter. Valdez problably edges him in the pure power department though...But Carter is very proficient with short power punches...Who do you take?
The underrated Rodrigo Valdez CRUSHES the overrated Rubin Hurricane Carter. The fight wouldn't go past 6 rounds. Remember how Dick Tiger dominated Carter? The harder hitting, better boxing Valdez would shock everybody against Carter.
Yeah, even if it was an older Briscoe, Valdez is 3-0 against the guy, and the only one to ever stop him. He sparks Carter.
Yeah, and easily too. People have generally forgotten that until he fought Monzon, that Rodrigo Valdez was really something as a fighter. He was catlike, like a leopard, if you will, in that he was both quick as hell and very dangerous with one punch, or combination power. He would have, IMO, actually demolished Carter, and I'm not degrading Carter at all when I say that. Carter was, however rather overrated, and that trend persisted into recent years when those lying, fantastical filmmakers came out with that movie that had him actually beating up Joey Giardello and "outrageously" losing the decision.
Nah, carter has actually slowly become underrated. Valdez is the one who is overrated in my book.His resume is paper thin outside of the Briscoe trilogy and he had poor performances in title fights against Tonna and Robles prior to fighting Monzon.it's not as if he was some destroyer that had cleaned the division out prior to fighting Carlos...far from it in fact. I still think he would beat Carter and possibly via brutal KO, but certainly not in a one-sided demolition. Both of these fighters are actually relatively similar in style, with Valdez being more versatile(but not truly versatile at all)and just a bit better in most respects.
Totally fair and solid post. :good Ron Lipton (a fellow who has problably forgotten more about boxing than all the posters here know about it) posted on the CBZ that Carter (whom he sparred with) was an amazing offensive fighter and tough as hell. For the record, I pick Valdez as well...but a blow out? Carter was NEVER blown out by anyone. That's just being fictious. IMO.
Valdez was the equivalent of Joe Frazier to Ali against Monzon, except he was a much better fighter p4p than Frazier. This all underscores how underrated Carlos Monzon is when you consider he twice defeated a guy as good as Valdez when he was essentially on the downside of his nearly seven year reign as middleweight champion. Monzon was the greatest of middleweight champions, IMO.
Valdez wins easily. Great fighter unfortunate to have Monzon in his way. Carter's rep built mainly on flash knockout of Emile Griffith.
Valdez. Carter has been made into a mythic figure, he was just average contender, and faded after title shot, losing 7 or 8 of 15 fights--so much for Bob Dylan and his "Number one contender for the middleweight crown" bull****. Carter had that big upset over Emile Grifith, and I think a win over George Benton, otherwise nothing so special in his career. Valdez was good champ--or belt holder--not great, but a cut above Carter.
Great avatar. He had an STD? Well, I'm sure glad he put Monzon ON his ass instead of putting something IN his ass if that's the case.
