Rogerio Nogueira: ‘They Worship The Takedowns A Lot’

lolwut?

 

It doesn't say you have to score the takedown heavily. It depends.

Unfortunately for Nog he got taken down strong, controlled and even when standing he ate big punches. He'd throw 4 then get rocked by a hook. A quality move will beat 2 or 3 average moves like flicking a weak jab out there.

 

yea I don't get that. The takedown itself doesn't matter unless you hurt your opponent when he falls, after that its the damage you do on the ground that matters. Just taking him down is stupid... I don't see why it would matter. I guess that's a rule that comes from Wrestling? I know nothing about wrestling though.

 

BS, Nog whooped baders ass for 2 second rounds. stuffed a million takedown and one takedown scored a win... yea right.

 

There was a few points in that fight where Nog's punching from the bottom made bader look ****. Bader was lying on top of him while Nog wasn't even defending himself and punching bader and he still didn't throw anything. I think they should bring in that pride rule about not working on the ground. There are a good few fighters who just enjoy lay and pray to much at least attack the odd time.

 

Was it Cage Rage that had the rule that if he thought a fighter was stalling on the ground, he allowed leg strikes whilst on the ground? Could be a good compromise for the various Athletic Comissions

 

I scored it 2 rounds to 1 for L'il Nog. Bader won the 1st round clearly, but did very little in the second and third. Jon Jones will smash him to pieces.

 

Coming from the guy who lost his last two fights.

 

Yep, I said that right after I heard the decisions "Give him to Jon Jones, and he will tear Bader a new one".

 

It was Cage Rage, the open guard rule.

Cage Rage was the home of a unique rule in the world of cage-based MMA; the "open guard" rule. Designed to prevent stalling on the ground, it allowed a standing fighter to use strikes on a downed opponent that would otherwise be fouls.
If a downed fighter was at least a metre away from the cage, on his back and able to avoid or defend against attacks, the referee would raise his arm and call "open guard". Once an open guard was called, the standing fighter could use the following attacks on their opponent:

• stomps,
• kicks or knees to the head, or
• flying attacks.

Unless an open guard has been called, these strikes were fouls.
This rule was introduced at Cage Rage 13 and was designed to prevent a fighter from laying in an open guard where his opponent can only throw leg kicks or drop to initiate grappling.[8] However, due to their ongoing desire to standardise rules across the UK and work with a potential MMA board of control, this rule was scrapped.

 

Yeah but stuffing a takedown is still a defensive move and offensive moves will obviously score more heavily.

 

Cheers Beebs. Cant see any this definition of the rules would limit lay n pray myself though. And no Athletic Comission would allow stomps, soccer kicks ect either. But there's got to be some reasonable compromise to level the playing field regarding scoring takedowns and top positions. Or maybe with more experianced Judges who work primarily on MMA and understand all aspects of the game will evolve in a similar fashion to how MMA fighters have today.

 

agreed, Nog easily had the better of the standup quite easily. He stuffed takedowns, meaning he more or less dictated where the fight took place 8-10 attempts.

Bader had some nice shots from the mount in the first round, but after that it was all Nog, and it wasn't even close. There was a significant edge at standup for Nog in rounds 2 and 3. Bader didn't dominate the ground in rounds 2 and 3 either. He did dominate the ground and land the more meaningful shots in round 1 though.

 

I forget exactly how the rule worked in practice, but I pretty much agree with you that it doesn't really stop lay and pray, as it opens up options for the guy with top position. Basically it was designed to stop butt scooters more, although that can be done by just standing them up (not as cool though)