Roids in PRIDE AND UFC - How Many Were/Are Doping, Worst Offenders, Who is Clean?

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So you now repeat the exact same ****ing statement that I originally made back to me, yet you mocked me for suggesting it in the first place. atsch

And you never try to claim that Wanderlei was clean in his PRIDE days, because you know damned well that the overwhelming likelihood is that he was roided to the gills.

And then in the same breath, you call me a hypocrite. ****ing ******. :-(

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Yeah while we're talking about editing bits out of posts, I also said in my post that the decline in aggression in and out of the ring could just as easily be due to simple ageing and maturing as he moved into his 30s.

Even scurla the world's ultimate authority said in the other thread that Wandy of 10 years ago "would have torn Franklin a new one" simply for randomly crossing paths at a casino before they were scheduled to fight. Why so aggressive a personality, then a sudden dropoff into a FAR more mellow type of guy? Into the type of guy who is noticably physically smaller and shrunken-looking, and who is even capable of sharing a van ride with Chael Sonnen and calmly and politely verbally warning him that his comments about Brazil are not widely appreciated? :blood

But anyway, since you went out of your way to come into the thread and ridicule me, can we get a final statement from you?

Somebody offers you a million dollars for the correct answer. Was Wanderlei a heavy roids user in PRIDE and stopped/cut right down when he came to the UFC? Or was he not roided up in PRIDE? After a half-dozen posts, you still haven't addressed the thread topic at all. :nono

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Yeah, it's a fair call. Leben I think he just had no respect for the guy's power though, and he got caught cold before he'd had time to properly warm up and get his body into the fight.

And he's never going to be anything but a brawler who wants to stand and trade. But in PRIDE he seemed a LOT more powerful and aggressive with it. Not just physically, but mentally he seemed far more intense. UFC Wanderlei looks like he's enjoying the event and the fight. PRIDE Wanderlei looks like he wants to kill a mother****er. :yep

Still, that proves nothing and it's just opinion. But it's an opinion that seems to be shared by a lot of people. :good

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Yeah, it's called having a nuanced opinion. I'm not so simpleminded as to just say "It was roids" and ignore every other possible factor. :-(

Great, so you agree that he was on roids, in fact you make a stronger statement about his roid usage than I did. You agree that he's clearly not as aggressive in or out of the cage. And you agree with me that there are factors other than roids in play as well. We are basically in complete agreement on the Wanderlei roids issue.

So why the **** did you feel the need to run into the thread and start posting laughing emoticons at me and trying to ridicule me, like you do every time you see I've posted on this forum? atsch

So post your laughing emoticons at them, you ****ing muppet. :-(

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And when the contracts flat out say "We don't care if you use performance-enhancing steroids", well you gotta assume that all the regulars took advantage of that. They sure as hell looked depleted when they came to a sanctioned sporting competition with an actual athletic commission overseeing them. :yep

Makes you wonder just how good some of those UFC guys would have been. :think I mean, clean Forrest Griffin can beat up and submit clean Shogun. Roided Forrest would have been tearing **** up in PRIDE.

And can you even imagine what a 27 year old, roided to the gills Jon Jones would do in a PRIDE ring. :scaredas:

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The point that I never made? :-(

The post in which I said he was not AS aggressive, then clarified in a follow-up sentence? The same point which you later repeated back to me in the same words as your own opinion? :blood

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