Rolling your head with the punch...?

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  1. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It seems like rolling your head with the punch is a technique used most often by Mexican boxers. So probably most trainers in the world don't approve of it. For boxers who uses this technique:

    - Are they taught to use it as a last defense from traditional high guard
    - By moving the head away from his opponent and refocus back, isn't that a real problem
    - Don't it fool the judges like fans
    - Do they have above average punch resistance to balance the risk and reward
    - Does his opponent adjust the distance to factor where the target would be going back
    - In terms of impact, how does it compare to a partially blocked punch with the gloves

    Seems to me it has little advantage over traditional defense.
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Usually it's a last ditch effort. It often has great advantages though; a lot of times if you take the sting off a punch but let it keep going, a fighter will leave their hand out there, unused to the awkward feeling of only half-way landing a shot-leaves them wide open for a counter.

    Toney rolling with the right here makes Ruiz reach, and he pays for it by eating a right of Toney's:

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    It also lets you sneak shots in punching with an opponent. Slipping and countering is a two-step process. It can work really well, but sometimes it's useful to time a simultaneous shot that's even harder to see coming, given that the opponent is throwing right at that moment. Rolling with the shot allows you to get something like that off without getting rocked and blinded by its full force.

    Here, JMM rolls with Diaz's left towards the inside, landing an overhand-right from out of view, which eventually leads to Diaz's demise:

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  3. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks for the video. The Toney video makes alot of sense. However the JMM video I just don't see rolling head from Diaz after many viewings. :roll: I guest that's an example of factoring the distance of the target to the rolling head? That's just me thu.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    NP.

    The rolling is from Marquez. Marquez dips his head slightly so that Diaz's left lands on the top of his head, and Marquez leans with the momentum of the shot while turning into his right hand blow. It's not the most obvious of rolls but he takes away the potential for a solid blow landing on the chin or temple.
     
  5. john garfield

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    It was taught to me in the '40s by SRR at Stillman's Gym, BB. It worked terrific; leaving your chin seemingly unprotected,'n inviting target.

    A great way to have a guy over-commit to his haymaker right hand and crack him back with a right that he walks into.
     
  6. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see what you mean now.

    I was thinking of how Librado Andreas or Duran turning their head in an extreme manner.
     
  7. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you need to first have a good chin to plan that type of exchange and how does it feel compared to a partially blocked punch?
     
  8. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What your opponent didn't know was you were intentionally drawing his haymaker. So, after practicing the move endlessly in sparring (getting caught flush many times) I mastered it, letting his haymaker fall harmlessly over my shoulder.

    I loved suckering opponents with it.
     
  9. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rolling with the punch used to be taught more, it's not done as much now because it's difficult to properly master, (if you're not rolling with it right you're going to get clocked by a good shot) and because judges are far too likely to score it as a punch landed for your opponent, so dodging altogether or blocking tend to get taught as more effective ways to score points and deny them to your opponent.
     
  10. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was taught that by my coach to roll with the punch if possible. It does take quite a bit out of a punch. Now obviously it is not something that you want to practice taking punches to your head to master and is rare to be able to use it to your advantage on command bc if you can see the punch then you might as well block it or dodge it BUT as any body part your head will react on feel and movement so naturally you will roll with the punches.
     
  11. Son of Gaul

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    LaMotta was pretty good at it too. That's one of the reasons he still has his marbles.
     
  12. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not sure that constitutes as a roll, Marquez does usually look to take shots on his forehead i.e puts his head down, if he can't use his legs or parry. Only time i've seen him roll was in the Mayweather fight on a Mayweather right cross, he has one of the stiffest necks i've seen, hardy forehead though

    Anyway, rolling is great once you've mastered it, every defensive wizard uses it.
    Barrera is a mexican who's rolling quickly jumps to mind.
     
  13. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It seems from the response that rolling with the punch is in between both a defensive and offensive maneuver. The thing is if one could roll away from a bomb the responding punch it likely an arm punch, so does the risk out weight the reward?
     
  14. Champion

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    Jorge Linares was rolling his head frequently in the DeMarco fight. It was effective at first but as soon as DeMarco started to break him down Linares' head roll was his downfall.
     
  15. Champion

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    In this sequence Marquez wasn't rolling with the punch at all, IMO. He bowed down a little bit to land his counter-right more effectively and got caught by a decent jab.