Román González starting to chunk up in between training camps.

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Movin' on up - lily gilding or icing on HOF cake?

Poll closed Jan 21, 2017.
  1. González enjoys middling success at bantam, loses to cream of the crop.

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  2. González sweeps up at bantam, given the current picture there, but that is his ceiling.

    18.2%
  3. González flops out at bantam losing to someone embarrassing or getting thrashed by an elite.

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  4. González can be elite as high as even super bantam.

    45.5%
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Gonzalez shouldn't mess with Inoue above superfly. I got a bad feeling as it is.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Liborio Solis could probably be a handful for Chocolatito as well.:deal:
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Fair point, Román beats him.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    We can finally say Warren now.:ARMS1:
     
  5. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    I definitely agree with that. As a Gonzalez fan, the longer he waits to make that fight, the worse it looks for him. I want to see it regardless but I think super-fly before the end of 2017 makes enough sense for both guys.

    I was actually becoming more concerned with Gonzalez' recent comments about how much he deserves to be paid. I understand he's looking for a lot of money for a guy in the lower weight classes. It hasn't got to the stage where he's pricing himself out of big fights but, in this day and age, that's always a worry.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You really dislike the guy, eh?

    I don't share your skepticism about him cleaning up at super fly, but I do think bantam could be a bridge too far depending on who sits in the other corner. Haskins is a cake walk and McDonnell is still a bit too clumsy to fully capitalize on his physical advantages without getting julienned by counters, but Tete is worrisome and even more so Yamanaka. Tapales is an underrated diamond in the rough, too, and could be a misstep. Chocolatito is actually pretty thin on experience vs. good lefties and Cuadras had success when he switched to southpaw..
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Co-headlining on HBO with their marquee star will get to a man's head. Any man, however previously humble.
     
  8. CST80

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    Not really, I've grown into being a big fan of Cuadras over the last few years, since I'm a Calzaghe and Sexy Sergio fan and I see similarities, and I though he got robbed against Roman, so I'm a little salty about that at the moment. I think he loses to Carlos in a rematch. I think his power isn't as impressive at Super Fly and if guys start realizing they can take his power, much like Cuadras did midway through their match, they might start attempting to go toe to toe with Roman, and that might not end well against guys like Rungvisai who is underrated IMO and obviously against Inoue.

    Tete is a beast, his southpaw stance is a possible nightmare for Yamanaka, so yeah he'll be an issue for Chocolatito, I hold Jamie in higher regard than you, and if drawn into a firefight with Marlon, either man can be taken out. Solis and Yamanaka are too just too big and powerful for him IMO.
     
  9. Henke67

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    I get that. He feels (quite rightly) that given his talent he should be afforded a certain amount of respect and status. He's been on his way to receiving that fighting with GGG - I just hope it doesn't affect a potential fight with Inoue or Estrada.
     
  10. Drew101

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    I don't know if that's an altogether easy win, though. Warren does move well, and might have an edge in hand-speed over Chocolatito. Speed and movement have been the attributes that have troubled Roman in the past, so while I'd favor the Nicaraguan to win, I wouldn't be completely shocked by an upset.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'll grant that Warren is faster (quite definitively I'd say) but have too often seen him struggle with talents vastly inferior to and with half the skill of González - in his Olympic bid failures and in Payano I.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    The difference between Donaire, Arguello, and Gonzalez in terms of weight climbing is that the first two had significant height and reach advantages before they moved up. Arguello basically had the frame of a middleweight, and they could dictate range and limit the damage they took. Gonzalez is already undersized in his fourth weight class and is going to have to fight increasingly on the inside and use quick movement to bridge the gap in arm length. He's going to be in range a lot longer and take more chances fighting larger guys.

    I don't know that I like his chances any further up. I'm not sure he can even be the man at this fourth weight class, but maybe I'm selling him short. For most fighters, unless you are ridiculously young and skinny in your initial weight classes like say Hearns, you aren't going to have much success beyond four or five weight classes no matter who you are. Duran, Armstrong, and Walker were freaks. Morales, Barrera, and Marquez only went up four or five weight classes. I see Gonzalez as roughly on their level. Four weight classes is doable but it may be his ceiling.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    Come on, I think the dude only got 400k for Cuadras. I don't think he's ever had a million dollar purse. Not for Viloria, Sosa, Yaegashi, Estrada, you name it. He's got 16 title fights, undefeated 46 fights in, fourth weight class. Can you just throw the dog a bone? These promoters wouldn't give a crippled crab a crutch!
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

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    He ought to be averaging 2 million at least, if this were a meritocracy. Even that is kinda low, that's half what Golovkin nets.
     
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