Roman Gonzalez vs. Jung-Koo Chang

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Mendoza:rofl
     
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  2. Flea Man

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    He was 19.
     
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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Off the top of my head. Tyson was still champion at age 30, and beat Bruno for the WBC title. With Tyson it was jail time. Tyson was far from shot. Still very good in the mid 1990's

    McGovern? Okay that's one example and going back 100 years.

    Canzoneri won some major fight past age 26, most notably Lou Ambers

    Chang did not win a fight past his 27th birthday! This is pretty rare among champions. I'll stand on that point.
     
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  4. LittleRed

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    You ignored benitez who was not 100 years ago.
     
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  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Um, Chang was born Feb 1963. He won the WBC title in March 1983 from Zapata

    1983-1963 = 20 years old.
     
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    An oversight. Add in Benitez.

    How many great champions ( use the hall of fame ) did not win a fight over the age 27 that were not killed, in jail, took a long hiatus from the ring, banned from the game, or baldy injured and had to retire?

    1 ) Junk Koo Chang.

    Others? You might find a few. Its pretty rare.
     
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  7. LittleRed

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    Benny lynch.
     
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  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    +1 with an *. I'll give it too you as this could be an interesting list.

    1 ) You have to go back 60 years for this example.

    2 ) Lynch had major health problems. He was banned from the game at age 26, and died at age 33. Chang is still with us, and was never banned from boxing.

     
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  9. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yoko Gushiken since you wanted more recent.
     
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  10. kingfisher3

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    surely doing enough to be an atg by 26 is as much, if not more, of a positive as declining quickly is a negative?
     
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  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    +2, but....

    Gushiken had but 24 fights, and only lost once in his last fight. It is hard to tell if he was past his best here as the cards were very close until he was Ko'd in 12. I'll give you this one. Just checked, Gushiken made the HOF fame this year.

    The pattern here the ATG's who did not win a fight past past age 27 that were not hurt, ill, took a long time off from the game, in prison, injured, ect...are rare, and the examples given are bantam or fly's.

    You're almost out of Fly's and Bantam's.

    To be under 120 pounds and past your prime at age 26 seems a bit cruel by mother nature. Just saying...even William Faulkner might agree. You'll get the joke in the last part of the sentence, I think.
     
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  12. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well there's the rub. Chang was teeny tiny.
     
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  13. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Dozens and dozens of world class to great sub-feather fighters hit their prime early and were on the downside by late 20s back before lazy schedules became so frequent in boxing.Fighters have generally always hit peak and declined quicker that low in weight.

    Add in Chang being a natural talent that relied a good bit on physical attributes and though he had very effective skills, it was more of the intuitive early Duran sort, plus being a serious party animal and him being an early peak\early decline geat fighter like Benitez is hardly something all that unusual.

    i've never seen longevity in terms of age as being argued as one of his strengths, indeed it's something that keeps him from being rated higher on all-time P4P lists, but it doesn't take away from the fact he was a great fighter from early on and for long enough to be seen as so by many.

    The guy came back out of retirement with no love for the sport anymore, hardly training well and just in it for a few last paydays.Still, once he got warmed up a bit he was unlucky to not get the decision against Chitalada and came very close to beating Kittikassem.

    I'm sure if his comeback had been a more serious, focused one he could have fought on and picked up a few wins against some unspecatacular contenders to keep Mendoza happy, but the more educated in the division's history wouldn't have cared much.He'd already established a legacy and anything he did in that comeback was just going to be gravy.
     
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  14. Flea Man

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    Sorry. I was going off the first Zapata fight, which was a bad decision.
     
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  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    You did not mention that before, but I'll take you at your word.

    The fight was in Chang's home country and the Korean judge voted for him ( Big shocker) The other two did not. The Korean judge was off by 4-6 rounds in comparison to the other two judges.

    judge: Tony Castellano 142-144 for Zapata
    judge: Harmodio Cedeno 144-147 for Zapata
    judge: Jae-Keun Kim 148-145 for Chang

    WBC World light flyweight title

    What was your scorecard?
     
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