Ron Borges' top 10 Mexican fighters of all time

Better than I expected. Number 1 is highly debatable. Saldivar is too low. Not bad though.

 

If Erik Morales isn't on that list he'd better be #11.

 

No1 is correct..... easily.

Also, the only acceptable way for Barrera to make a top 10 list & Morales not to is if Barrera is no10 because they should only be about 1 place apart regardless of who you have ahead.

**** list.

 

Ron Borges writes some ******ed **** sometimes I am very aware of the old timers from Mexico and although Kid Azteca was an excellent fighter there is no way he should get the nod over Baby Arizmendi who went 2-3 against arguablly the greatest fighter in the history of Boxing which is Hammerin Hank. In fact in their first fight reports have it that he domintated Armstrong in that one. He would be higher on my list but He also had a lot of losses(although many were against great comp
Also I cant see why he doesnt have Morales on this list.


This MEXICAN has the Top 10 looking like this



1.JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ
2.SALVADOR SANCHEZ
3.RUBEN OLIVARES
4.RICARDO LOPEZ
5.MARCO A BARRERA
6.ERIK MORALES
7,MIGUEL CANTO
8.CARLOS ZARATE
9.BABY ARIZMENDI
10.VICENTE SALDIVAR

I didnt rank Marquez since he is still fighting but if he were to retire today id put him somewher between 7-9.
4,

 

Lopez to high IMO...by my criteria anyway.

 

I agree. How do you rank a guy based on potential held back because of a promoter? Lopez had his hands full with the best guy he faced who wasnt all that great in Alvarez.

 

Seems like lot of Esb fans complain than Lopez is Overrated here but i see the opposite I think hes criticized too much here and yet he is undefeated and a perfect technichian in my mind,in fact I almost put him ahead of Olivares.
I dont feel like getting into a debate either cause I think i did that already about 50 times here.

 

Skillset+resume is how you should define a fighter IMO.

Hence Olivares is far the more accomplished fighter. Lopez was fantastic, but no way is he anywhere near Olivares in all-time standings, regardless of promotional disputes/weak weight class.:deal

 

If you want to nit pick on one opponent well i guarantee you that I could do that to just about every ATG. You could come up with a reason on every fighter as to why they werent that great. Alvarez was also never beaten either in his prime(except by dq) and he later avenged that.

 

That is why I begrudgingly but him ahead of Lopez.

 

Its not nitpicking when you look at his record as a whole, which mostly consists of inexperienced ex Thai kick boxers. There isnt really a lot of substance to his resume realistically, just a lot of wins over unamed opponents for the most part. He was a great fighter, but you cant rank someone on potential in my opinion.

 

Begrudgingly????

Because Olivares wasn't really, really skilled as well? Like, as skilled as Lopez but in different areas?

Yes he was, and clearly the better fighter.

 

Look Ive seen tapes of Olivares before you tube or the Internet existed so im aware of his skills especially at Bantam. I know that he was just not some one dimensional bomber like some unknowledgable fans might assume. Its kind of hard to compare the two when it comes to skills cause each guy did something better in one area that you could make an argument for. I picked Olivares based on resumes despite his inconsistentcies. Power definitly goes to Rockabye Ruben although he was skilled too i think Lopez gets the nod there as well as being faster.Ruben definitly the better body puncher. Consistancy Lopez,even if he fought the comp ruben did he wouldnt have lost some of the fights that Ruben did. Its close and I gave the nod to Ruben so actually when it comes down to it you are in agreement with me.

 

No it's not close.

Olivares was in the STRONGEST BANTAMWEIGHT DIVISION OF ALL TIME.

Arguably the best Bantam ever (bar Jofre, though that is debatable) and historically Bantam is possibly the most stacked division in terms of talent (again debatable)

Straw/Light-Fly is not.

Regardless of how old you are, always saying 'I watched it at the time' doesn't mean you are right.

Mexican fighters (for me-

Olivares at 2.

Lopez at 6/7 (depending on what mood I'm in)