Ron Borges' top 10 Mexican fighters of all time

I miss him already. Drastically. But let's not get carried away.

 

Manny Ortiz is Mexican-American from Corona,Ca ,If you want to count him than we can throw Oscar in there or Duran who was 1/2 mexican.

 

atsch Damn Addie you struck a nerve there We have another rare disagreement(along with Lopez) I think Oscar is easily top 5 maybe even 3 if you put him here,and Duran would be one. Ortiz is around 5.

 

:admin

Oscar higher than Ortiz? Are we talking about a list comprising of both Mexican-Americans and Mexicans, or just Mexican-Americans? If it's the former, De La Hoya is struggling for a slot in the top 10.

 

No one and I mean No one in the the last 25 years has fought as many great fighters as Oscar. Delahoya was robbed of an either better resume(Tito,MosleyII).
I think just about any fighter would have come out with a at least a few losses if they fought the Comp that Oscar did. Fans also forget the work that Oscar did early in his career he was a beast in the lighter weight classes and would have handled Barrera or Morales at light weight and a junior light weight Oscar was green but id still put him at least even Money with Barrera or Morales. Oscar has become very underrated with hardcore fans. I actually think this one occasion where the casual fan has a better perspective on a fighter than the Hard joe boxing fan.

 

Well this thread was greatest Mexicans (which usually means Mex nationals) but we could have a little fun with this and I think I might be making compiling a list to make a top 20 list of fighters of Mexican Descent,because the only Mex-Americans to make the top 10 would be Ortiz,and Delahoya with Canizales,Tapia and many other deserving fighters missing the cut.

But to answer your question about Ortiz and Oscar I dont think there is much seperating the 2. I would side with Oscar though by a hair,but I could understand an argument for Ortiz also

If I make this list should i include Duran who is 1/2 Mexican(from his fathers side) but raised in Panama?

 

Remember that Oscar jumped from 130 to 154 (iwont count 160) He beat the best guys at the lighter weights,and although Chavez was past it he was still a very good fighter when Oscar beat him.
Im a huge Vargas fan but Vargas was still a bull and a pfp guy when Oscar beat him. This was not the Vargas that fought Mosley,Mayorga etc..
Bottom line history will note that Oscar got a L against tito and Mosley but,the only guys to beat him decisvely were Hopkins(a top 4 atg mw) and Manny and we know that was a drained and washed up Oscar.
Even the first Mosley fight was razor close even though i gave it to Mosley I only had him by 1 point. I gave Oscar the rematch by 3, and had him over Tito 116-112 and the rounds that Tito did were not cause he did anything that good,its cause Oscar gave those rounds away. Look at Oscars other wins over quality champs like Whittaker,Quartey,Hernandez,Molina,Leija,Ruelas,Gonzalez and a quite a few other guys I probably forgot to mention and he is definitly deserving of an ATG ranking. Remember a faded Oscar did very well against a prime Mayweather to only fade out at the end,even then I had May by only 2 points in that one. I probably forgot a couple other good points but im sure you get my where im going

 

I haven't read all five pages of this topic but doesn't Ricardo Lopez get some mention here? I'd have him on my list.

 

He was a hell of lot more dominant and consistent than some guys mentioned in the top 5. 16 year career with no losses, 11 years as champ. Sure, I realize his weight category doesn't raise much passion but absolutely dominated it.

 

Yes I have him #4 and almost put him 3,and I got bombarded with disagreemnts. Lopez is underrated on the classic forum. SOme of the Posters think that Jung Koo Chang would have whupped himatsch