Ron Lyle versus Deontay Wilder would be sanctioned murder.

Wilder has always found a way to land his pay day punch. I don't think Lyle would take it and recuperate fast enough.

 

After Wilder takes his head off the narrative instantly changes to Wilder feasting on an old man who didn’t even start boxing until his 30s.

 

Mathis was unranked, shot, and in his last fight.

Bonavena was ranked but didn't deserve his ranking at all. He didn't have a single notable win in 5 and a half years.

Ellis was unranked, shot, and still took Lyle the distance. A fresher (albeit still passed prime) Ellis ranked number 3, was dispatched in a single round by Shavers.

Bugner was unranked and had just come out of retirement one fight earlier, and took Lyle to a disputed SD.

Shavers was one of only two ranked opponents Lyle actually beat, and he had to get off the canvas to do so.

As for the other fights, he lost. Shut out by an unranked Young in their first bout (despite this, he for whatever reason kept his rating and title shot against Ali), and suffering the same fate in their rematch.

 

Exactly, and Lyle didn't have the best defense, I think Wilder ko's him.

 

Sorry but I’m going with Wilder by KO.

 

It should also be noted that his courageous losing effort to Foreman came after George was off for 15 months and following a devastating loss which took him about 13 years to recover from emotionally.

 

Lyle was rugged tough guy but I can see Wilder catching him an stopping him early after both come out swinging

 

Yes, and more importantly he'd changed his style drastically. Post-Ali, Clancy tried to change Foreman's stance and body mechanics. He made Foreman bring his feet to close together, which prevented Foreman from utilizing all of his power and left him off balance quite a bit (perhaps never more apparent in the 7th round against Young when he had him ready to go), his jab also became notably weaker and though it still looked good, it was more or less just there, when before it was a beautiful weapon that could stun and stagger very durable ATGs such as Frazier. The first time it was very noticeable was against Dino Denis.

This is an excellent post regarding the changes Foreman made, that on paper should've made him better but it just didn't.

 

The only men to stop Ellis, other than Shavers, were Frazier and Ali.

Just sayin'

Fairly sure Bugner cracked the Ring's Top-10 after his demolition of Dunn.

This reads like the kind of toughness that might encourage some to back Lyle against Wilder.

 

Think you're underestimating Wilder. Wilder has speed, range and a nuke of a right hand and he carries his power late into a fight. Not saying that he easily beats Lyle, though I favor him. But I think it's idiotic to say Lyle just easily steamrolls Wilder.

 

Swag i've noticed lately you seemed to have jumped on Wilder bangwagon a little nothing wrong in that as i've gained a bit more respect for him in recent years. But all the discrediting you're doing for Lyle's resume you can easily do the same for Wilder.

Wilder fought the same version of Fury as Ngannou did Fury weighed 277 pounds for both fights, and Ngannou an MMA fighter won more rounds than Wilder did. Yet Wilder is hailed for his performance vs Fury the 3rd time, whilst Ngannou's performance is considered "fluke" which doesn't make much sense to me. Either Fury is overrated or Wilder's performance against a grossly overweight Fury is overrated.

Wilder has fought Fury 3 times the first time was a Fury coming back from a 3 year lay off whilst being 100 pounds overweight on a cocaine binge whilst only having 2 tune ups against absolute nobodies. The 2nd time Wilder got absolutely dismantled, and the 3rd fight Wilder took a beating from an overweight Fury whilst having one good round in the 4th.

Outside of Fury fights you have Luis Ortiz who's only stand out win was from 2015 against Bryant Jennings, since the Fury fights Ortiz has been knocked down 5 times from Martin, Ruiz, so could Ortiz be overrated or maybe hes aged ? because there's not much substance to his record either.

Wilder has shown good power but it's mostly against B and C class opposition, people like to bring up the Fury fights as Fury is elite but is Fury's chin that strong ? he's been on the floor 7 times and some of them vs non punchers like Cunningham, Pajkic.

All in all Wilder has good power although the jury is still out how if he can stop the top contenders of his era, if Wilder can stop Parker in his next fight and add Joshua to that list then his credibility absolutely sky rockets.

Overall though Lyle went to war with huge puncher in Shavers and won, stood toe to toe and exchanged punches with Foreman and came about as close to winning as possible. How many Heavyweights could exchange punches with Foreman and floor him twice ? you could probably count them on one hand.

And whilst you're discrediting Lyles wins over the likes of Bugner, Bonavena, Ellis, comparing it to Wilder's resume those names would be some of Wilder's best wins on his resume.

 

OK. Explain it to me like I'm a 2-year-old. Let's make it a 2-year-old with intellectual disabilities. What is the love for Ron Lyle on this forum?

Was it his life story? The fact that he had a decent career after the late start? The fact that he was leading Ali two-thirds of the way through the fight (although Ali waa never in a second's real jeopardy of losing and wound up ruining the guy when he needed to)? The war with Foreman? Was there something about him that made him exceptionally fun to watch?

Because I saw the guy's best fights in real time, and while I don't think he was a complete jabroni, he had a career to be proud of given the circumstances, I never thought that this guy for one millisecond had it in him to seriously contend for the championship or carve out a spot with the Alis and the Fraziers and the Foremans and the Holmeses and the Nortons.

But people here have him beating Joe Louis if not Jack Johnson, let alone Wilder, and I really, truly, sincerely, legitimately don't get it.