Ron Lyle versus Deontay Wilder would be sanctioned murder.

Ron was an extremely articulate and intelligent man. A very likeable guy and only one of a few that could make Ali shut up and actually listen for a bit. Lol.

We can only assess reliably assess Ron on his material achievements but it is a plain fact that he came to the game late, and was that bit older than most of the rest of the field (a year older than Ali).

True, Ron engaged a 15 month inactive Foreman who never did fully reclaim himself post Zaire.

However, in balanced address, Ron’s last fight was an absolute brutal, knock em down, drag em out war vs Shavers only 4 months prior.

Fighting Shavers, then Foreman, back to back? Insane.

 

Ron Lyle was on his own level. The man was serving 8 years when shanked in prison then he died while having two heart attacks on the operating table...or something close to that. Anyway mad respect for the Man.

 

I agree. I've never seen someone with such mediocre accomplishments be held to such a pedestal. Cleveland Williams for example beat more ranked contenders, made it higher in the ratings, and actually proved he could hold his own with a slickster as opposed to being laughably embarrassed like Lyle was on two occasions with Young, yet he doesn't get half the praise Lyle does.

 

This simply isn't true. Weight doesn't tell the whole story. It doesn't tell you about the person's physical condition, or how much they trained if at all, let alone prepared for a specific opponent, as opposed to just hitting the gym.

For example Bowe was 235 pounds against Golota in the rematch, and also 235 against Holy in their first bout, yet the difference between the two versions of Bowe are night and day.

Fury looked a lot better against Wilder in their third bout (and all of their bouts as a matter of fact than he did against Ngannou)

 

Haha, so true

 

Neither guy was that good - before anyone says something “relatively” speaking.

 

Hi Buddy.
Excellent breakdown, and one of which I agree with, for me Lyle would be too rugged and robust for Wilder, furthermore Lyle would be profoundly unimpressed with Wilders rep, so I also go with stoppage or KO with big Ron the winner.
stay safe scart, chat soon.

 

Bowe had to lose 50 pounds in 8 weeks and was already starting to show signs of brain trauma with his speech see interview after Golota 2 fight, which is why he didn't look the same vs Golota in their 2nd fight.

As for Ngannou one could say he showed more dimensions to his game than Wilder like switching Southpaw for example, and wasn't falling for his feints which is why Fury wasn't as effective.

As for Fury's training well apparently he had a full training camp I believe for 8 or 12 weeks ? So I heard.

Also you say Lyle fought Foreman who was coming off 15 month lay off, well how about the fact when Wilder fought Fury the 3rd time he was coming off 20 month lay off almost 2 years ? and Fury was grossly out of condition unlike Foreman was vs Lyle.

 

Good points, Pug.

I'm a Ron Lyle fan, no doubt, but you can still be a fan and stay grounded and that's why, in addition to the facts, there are also the interpretations of the same.

For example, as much as Foreman's 15-month lay-off is a fact, I don't think it fully explains the action between him and Lyle in their 1976 FOTY scrap.

To my mind, it certainly doesn't fully explain how Lyle was able to come off the canvas in the 4th (having already floored Foreman) with a minute to go and, not only survive the round, but also go on to out-slug Foreman in the dying seconds to score the second KD.


Also - when considering a Head-to-Head speculation, I concern myself less with the binary 'W' / 'L' elements and focus more on the level of performance witnessed, win or lose. For mine, Lyle demonstrated enough at the top level; the type of innate toughness and [underrated] boxing ability that would make him a favorite against Wilder.

And, it's not an unreasonable take when you consider that Wilder doesn't have a whole lot himself to shout about at the truly world class level, either.

 

The thing is you really probably have to pummel Wilder into nothingness (while avoiding a finisher at the same time) to beat him. Only one person (a fighter with good movement) was able to do it. A second person with good movement and good power beat him up, but couldn't outlast him without being knocked silly.

Ron Lyle don't fight like that, he would stand and deliver and would end up being delivered to God............amen.

Wilder by extremely brutal ko (not tko) but ktfo..........

And no I don't think Wilder is great or even good........but he's a real problem H2H.

 

I won’t play an each way bet on my previous opinions expressed re Shavers power just to suit myself - I don’t put Earnie ahead of the pack of elite punchers of his day as much others do - just my opinion.

However, that does not at all translate to Earnie not being an awesome power hitter - just like Forman, Lyle and Cooney. He definitely definitely was. Ronnie took that power and returned in kind, ultimately prevailing.

There are others who do believe Earnie’s power was above the rest, perhaps even on par with Wilder’s - and that’s fine too BUT either way, incorporating my opinion or theirs, that’s a terrific testament to Lyle’s chin, overall durability and heart.

I think that anyone who does rate Earnie as boxing’s hardest puncher would believe even more strongly than I that Ron isn’t going to fold like a cheap suit in the face of Wilder’s power.

W or L, Ron isn’t being obliterated by Wilder.

And, I totally agree that one has to look beyond cold stats (Wins and Losses) to be better and more properly informed on complexions, styles, associated dynamics and overall context.

 

Wilders dependency on power makes him really endearing. He feels like the underdog in all of his fights and doesn’t really have that destroyer aura that some guys get where they feel like the boss fight of a video game.

 

Exactly. Just goes to show, weight doesn't tell the whole story, or even half of it.

Well according to Fury, this was the camp he trained the hardest for, but he was just trying to maintain the illusion he took the whole fiasco seriously. An illusion his own family and trainers dispelled even prior to the fight.

To me, he looks noticeably more untrained against Ngannou than he did against Wilder.

Wilder was also coming off a 20 month lay off iirc.

Also as I said, Foreman's main problem wasn't his lay off, it was the effect his loss to Ali had on his mental state, and more importantly the shift in style, and body mechanics which I mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

You can make this argument about literally anyone...... including Lyle.

While prime or near prime he flat out went the distance with Bob Stallings, Gregario Peralta, Wendell Newton (a 23-13 club fighter at the end of his career, Lyle needed to settle for a SD), and the 19-44 Lou Bailey, back to back.

I know this forum has a love affair with Lyle and can't stand Wilder because he doesn't fit the norms of what a boxer should be, and most importantly didn't fight back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, but let's at least try to be honest.