Ron Lyle versus Deontay Wilder would be sanctioned murder.

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, well, well - Parker surprised, whilst Wilder did not (not massively, at least).

    I'm kinda hoping this puts paid to a tendency in Classic to overstate Wilder's head-to-head prowess against genuine World Class talent of the past.

    My earlier speculation on Lyle vs Wilder stands - with even greater conviction.
     
  2. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Classic needed this thread just a few nights before the Day of Reckoning (apt name for one.)

    Everybody projecting filth of their own mind into the mythical malicious hive-mind entitle of the forum (forum this, forum that, forum always big bad and say boo boo silly things) I shame you.

    And I relish the night.
     
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    No comment.
     
  4. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ron Lyle at 38 was getting KOed by Lynn Ball so I'm not sure the Parker result should change anyone's initial opinion.
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can't compare ages like that......Lyle had been in there with much stronger opposition. And no one was saying Wilder was past it when they were making him the favourite over the likes of Joshua when he took Helenius's head off.
     
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  6. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Different eras (nutrition, juices), different careers, (in the ring with Ali and two top 5 punchers in the history of the division) and near-death experience would take a lot out of his biological clock on top of the actual number being considered almost hopelessly old by standards of the day.

    Besides, last night was also Wilder with all his flaws on display on top of being aged.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Has Wilder won more than two rounds in a fight since like 2018? He’s been past it. He just has power now. The volume went first and now the timing is gone.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    The level of opposition moved up.
     
  9. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ron Lyle sends Wilder home in a box.
     
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  10. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some would argue that "power" is all he's ever had.
     
  11. ikrasevic

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    Now, from this perspective, it is very likely.
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    The only rounds Wilder won vs Fury is the rounds he knocked him down in, and vs Ortiz he lost pretty much every round until his power bailed him out. And Ortiz was 39 and over the age of 40 when he fought Wilder in both of those fights.

    His power was the only stand out attribute about him, he never had elite level boxing skills or any other offensive skills that were unique apart from the right hand.

    He just had an opponent with a solid chin and a still capable Heavyweight that exposed his flaws one being he can't fight on backfoot when being pressured.
     
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  13. NoNeck

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    A past it Joe Parker is worse than Ortiz and not likely even equal to Stiverne I. We’re talking about a guy who struggled with Chisora and managed to lose to Whyte before getting annihilated by Joe Joyce.
     
  14. NoNeck

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    If you think Wilder didn’t have good timing at his peak, you don’t know boxing.
     
  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    Why ? Ortiz's best win is vs Jennings in 2015 Parker was a world champion Ortiz wasn't.

    Parker has a better resume and has done better vs 2 common opponents, Ortiz is 0-3 vs Wilder and Ruiz and was floored 5 or 6 times vs them ?

    Parker is 2-0 vs Wilder and Ruiz and was never off his feet in either fight.

    Ortiz was also 39 and over the age of 40 in 2 fights vs Wilder so no I don't think Ortiz was a better than the version of Parker last night.

    And who's to say Wilder wouldn't struggle vs a motivated Chisora or Whyte ? Wasn't Whyte Wilder's mandatory and Wilder didn't fight him ?