Ron Lyle versus Deontay Wilder would be sanctioned murder.

Ok then.

Show me that you "know boxing" by explaining what "good timing" is and how Wilder exemplified the same.

 

Ortiz was older than Wilder was vs Parker when Wilder fought Ortiz. So if that's considered Wilder's best win then that win should also have asterisk over it considering the age of Ortiz if we are applying the same logic with Wilder.

 

The thing is though why people have that opinion is because Wilder has a very weak resume, so when he gets dominated against one of the few ranked or notable opponents hes fought in almost 50 odd fights. Then people will have the impression that Wilder was very overhyped.

If Wilder had beaten a few more notable opponents and knocked them out impressively, then maybe people would be more fair in regards to him losing in his late 30s.

But when you look at his resume when hes stepped up he lost 26 out of the 29 rounds vs Fury only winning rounds he floored Fury in and 2 of them were vs poor versions of Fury. Lost pretty much every round to an old Ortiz in both fights before his power bailed him out.

So looking at those fights or when Wilder did step up his overall skillset has never really impressed, it's mostly his game changing power which was impressive to a certain extent. But again not really shown it against many ranked opponents or notable fighters.

 

Well I think its combination of two things Wilder is a bit past it but also Parker is a tough stylistically match up for him anyway.

Parker did good things in there and came in fairly heavy I believe 250 pounds is quite heavy for him isn't it ? He went in with the gameplan Fury had in the 2nd fight to force Wilder on the backfoot.

 

Well I don't think Wilder looked any better when Fury dismantled him in their 2nd fight, and that fight showed Wilder was very ineffective with his power when forced on the backfoot.

The 3rd fight yes Wilder did look better but you also have to take into account a few things. Fury was grossly out of shape he weighed the same in that fight as he did vs Ngannou just for context. Fury was also coming off a 15 month lay off as was Wilder, but the lay off didn't seem to effect Wilder then or was Fury just in way worse form compared to 2nd fight ?

But yeah definitely Wilder showed more fire and eagerness in 3rd Fury fight.

 

I doubt it. Wilder's not allowed any excuses whatsoever for any losses or even subpar performances, yet not allowed any credit for his victories. It's very odd. I estimate a solid 40% of the general forum, said his fight with Helenius was fixed.

I find it funny people aren't giving Wilder any slack for his inactivity, when Parker himself cited Wilder's inactivity, as a weakness he was going to take advantage of.

I agree. Wilder seems to past prime at 38 and looked better against Fury in all three of their fights (yes even the second one).

I also find it odd; people think this has any relevance, on a Lyle-Wilder matchup. Aside from the fact that they fought nothing alike, Parker is infinitely more proven than Lyle.

 

Ah, a special set of circumstances for a fighter who you aren’t especially fond of. I’ve never seen that before on this forum.

 

The second Ortiz fight. Wilder at that point had already lost the volume that he showed earlier in his career, but he still timed a well schooled boxer with a beautiful shot.