Ron Lyle vs Corrie Sanders (Bump poll added)

You’re full of ****. He’d stopped Hipp and Gonzalez within a year of losing to Sanders and beat Wlad a year after that. He was Morrison level without the hype, better if we’re going off win columns.

 

Are you putting these items up for sale on your eBay account?

 

LOL. I was quoting you saying he was 16-2-1 when in fact he was 8-8-1 in his first 16 fights. Big difference. Then after the Morrison draw he beat a bunch of absolutely awful guys (records like 0-1, oh and 0-21-1 Andre Smiley TWICE) to inflate his record to 18-8-1 before he starting fighting real fighters and went about .500 (most of the wins, but not all, against further nobodies).

He was a journeyman. Lots of good fighters are journeymen. I’ve already said that Puritty is Sanders’ second-best win … it just so happen that’s not a great second-best wins.

But to act like he was some 16-2-1 prospect on the rise is an outright lie on your part. Stop making stuff up — it’s a bad look on your part.

 

He was 18-2-1 in his last 21 fights heading into Sanders. Stopped Hipp and Gonzalez in that period. Drew with Morrison. Lost decisions to Rahman and Grant. Stopped Wlad a year later. You can apologize.

 

You don’t have to look up the facts because here they are:

He drew with Morrison at the start of that. Good result.

He then went 15-2 over his next 17.

One was a decision over Hipp. Good result.

One was a won over Gonzalez, who was in the midst of losing 5 out of 7 and complete done. Meh.

He beat another journeyman with a 20-16 record. Less than meh.

The combined record of the other 12 wins in that stretch where you’re acting like he’s a world-beater? A whopping 15-78-2. That’s an average of just over 1 win and 6.5 losses in opponent record of those wins. Two of them are over a guy who was winless in more than 20 fights. Eight of those 12 had one win or zero.

If that impresses you … wow. And THAT is the best stretch of his entire career. Outside of that stretch of wins against guys who were, at best, barely pro fights that you hold up like he’s a world champ — he’s 16-18-2.

He was a journeyman. A good one, as I noted. Maybe not quite Jesse Ferguson level, but a good one. And that’s Corrie’s second-best win.

I’ll accept your apology now. Quit making stuff up.

 

Who was that other guy he beat?

He beat Hipp by ko btw. You’ve confused him with Tommy.

Gonzales only had two loses.

 

"in the midst of losing 5 out of 7"

 

I did say he beat Hipp. Good win, as I noted, over a fringe contender.

Gonzales was done. He went 2-5 from June 1995-Aug. 1998. Puritty was one of those losses. Ross didn’t beat a contender there, he beat a guy who was in the exact middle of a losing skid as he fell to opponent status. It was meaningless in the scheme of things.

Tell me how great you think Puritty was. Are you suggesting he was more than a journeyman? Because that’s exactly what he was.

He went 31-20-3. Take away more than 10 wins over absolute fall-down guys who had an average record of 1-6.5 and he’s below .500. (And it’s not 20 losses that occurred at the end of his career and he just cashed in … he was 8-8 to start his career. He was 8-12-2 after the stretch of bought wins over guys found panhandling outside bus stations and liquor stores — and some of those 8 wins at the start when he went 8-8 aren’t any better.)

So what are you trying to say here? Corrie beat a good journeyman. And, again, that’s Corrie’s second-best win.

And Corrie got completely sparked by Nate Tubbs, who was 12-1 with his dozen wins over a collection of nobodies with a collective record of 5-79-1. In his entire career he beat two fighters not named Corrie Sanders with winning records — one was 11-6-1 and the other was 17-7 and each had won one of their last six. It’s one of the most embarrassing losses in heavyweight history.

Yet we’re supposed to believe Corrie “The Conqueror of Ross Purrity” Sanders is some kind of world-beater. Sheesh. He got one fluke win and people want him the hall of fame.

 

Joshua was “in the midst” of losing 3 out of five fights against Ruiz.

It’s a nice tactic for fooling a third grader.

 

Purrity was Tommy Morrison level, and that’s being generous to Tommy who never beat a Wlad and was fortunate to get a draw with Ross.

 

It’s a nice tactic to show exactly where he was in his career.

How about this — He was 22-0 at one time. He retired 31-8. That stretch where he lost 3 of 5 is part of that slide where he went 9-8 to finish his career. Ross beat a guy who was done, who would be barely over .500 the rest of the way … Sugar Ray Robinson was a better fighter when he beat Jake LaMotta than he was the last stretch of his career, or do you think Stan Harrington and Fred Hernandez are both better than the best P4P fighter of all time because they beat the dried-up husk of SRR?

Neat trick to say, ‘Hey this guy Gonzalez was pretty much a fraud to begin with, a paper giant with a bad haircut and a nice amateur background in Cuba, but once he got exposed he completely fell apart and beating him at that point in his career is not, in fact, a remarkable achievement.’

I think Morrison has more quality wins on his record and for sure fewer losses to average/below average fighters than Puritty. But if you think otherwise, that’s fine.

Among all-time heavyweight wins, do you rank Corrie Sanders over Puritty in the top 100? 500? 5000?

 

Gonzales lost to Bowe and Witherspoon prior to Purrity. Purrity is the guy who bounced him from potential contender to stepping stone.

Rahman, McCall, and Brewster put together better wins than Purrity. Same level as Holmes beating Leon Spinks, but Ali was so gone when León beat him.

 

I don't really care how you want to interpret it, now.

I was simply pointing out your lack of even "third grader" English comprehension.

 

Gonzalez was shot after those two losses, as shown by the fact that he was barely a .500 fighter after winning his first 22. Puritty happened to be the guy standing there to pick up some scraps. Good for him.

I agree that Rahman, McCall and Brewster had better wins than Puritty. A lot of guys did.

Leon Spinks got his shot at Holmes because he beat Bernardo Mercado in a WBC eliminator on the Ali-Holmes undercard. Leon’s challenge of Holmes came like 2 1/2 years after Spinks beat Ali. Spinks-Ali had nothing to do with it.

If you’re trying to make a point anywhere in there, I have no idea what it is.

But the fact is Puritty was a journeyman. Never a contender (did he get ranked for a minute after he beat Wlad maybe? If so it was fleeting.) He was a solid fighter who would give guys rounds. Beating him didn’t make Corrie Sanders are anyone else a top heavyweight — the guy lost 20 fights.

 

So Purrity was at least Leon Spinks level.

If you're going to retroactively downgrade Gonzales, you need to retroactively upgrade Wlad.