Ron Lyle vs Max Baer

The footage we have of Baer shows us that.

 

Lyle was an enigma. He had the size, power and skills that one would’ve guessed to have yielded greater success. Were there confidence issues there? I dunno. He appeared overly reserved at times.

As such, I could see Ronnie outboxing Max for the greater part but not ramping it up to seal the deal. It seems Lyle needed the likes of Shavers or Foreman wailing on him to bring out his true inner beast.

Notwithstanding his vast array of punches to choose from (jk) methinks Max will put most of his energy into single right hand bombs.

In a nut shell, Ronnie easily outboxes, Maxie’s durability allows him to hang in there, the right hand lurks as a possible, potential fight turn arounder but more likely than not, it doesn’t find a home or, at least, it’s not supported by a sufficient follow up to capitalise.

Post fight, Maxie slaps Ronnie on the back and says “Great fight, you’re way better than that BUM Galento!”

Max kisses toddler Baer Jr (Jethro) who recoils at the sight of his pop’s closed eye which Maxie Snr wears like a badge of honour.

 

So Louis stopping elite boxers, durable fighters while looking extremely powerful on the tape doesn't matter because... he's from 1930s, right?

You've yet to bring up any argument that he didn't. You just think so, because you think so.

The fight with Foreman showed that Lyle couldn't stop big puncher with granite chin and got stopped himself. That's not a good way to beat Baer, who had definitely a better chin than Lyle.

But Lyle isn't ATG, he's average contender from 50 years ago.

 

I’d fancy Lyle to win a fairly comfortable UD.
He was a much better all round fighter than the limited Baer who’s extremely overrated on here.

 

Louis never stopped any elite boxers, at least not by what I consider elite.
And those men he stopped where there for the taking, they were not very skilled.

No, it showed that he went toe to toe and badly hurt Foreman, who is top 5 - top 10 all time, both in terms of punching power and in terms of chin.
Baer did not have a better chin than Lyle, and wouldn't have been able to give the same trouble to Foreman, like Lyle did.

Compared to Baer, Lyle is an ATG. He's superior in every way.

 

The only thing that the footage shows us, is that Lyle is a better technician.

Given that Baer is a slugger, and Lyle is a boxer puncher, you would expect him to be a better technician on that alone.

Being a better technician than Baer, is no guarantee of success against him.

 

I've gone back and forth with this one as I think it's difficult to select but here goes; if this is a 15 round fight I can see Lyle being ahead 7 rounds to 3 after 10 looking really good at times. But after 11 rounds I see Ron Lyle's stamina start wilting and Baer getting a stoppage around the 13th or 14th. Max will have needed a KO and he'll get it. Ron gassed out late against Ali in a fight he was doing really well in and this fight will be more physical .

 

It's been my experience, in many years of betting on boxing (mostly Heavyweights), to be VERY hesitant to bet on a fighter based mainly on his great LOSING efforts against elite fighters. Lyle fits that category perfectly. My money would be on Max Baer. Razor Ruddick fit that category as well. I actually found someone willing to bet on him against Lennox Lewis, based off his LOSING efforts against Mike Tyson.

 

Yeah, of course Schmeling, Walcott, Sharkey, Conn (to only name the most famous names) were all trash.

Louis beat more top 10 contenders in his career than any other HW in history. You are ****ing insane at this point!

You are clueless if you think that Lyle has better chin than Baer. It's absolutely indefensible opinion.

Because you said so? He never showed any signs of being ATG in his long career.

 

Think Baer is not getting his due…he def had his faults and I think he would be losing the first half of this fight maybe even badly. But he had just as much power and the key to this fight Is better stamina.

 

Compared to modern ATGs like Tyson, Lewis, Ali, Holmes etc - they are trash. For that era, they were good.

It doesn't matter how many contenders he beat, it might have been a million and it still wouldn't have mattered. Those men were top 10 contenders in that era, they would not be in a more modern era. A fat tub of lard like Galento was a contender back then, now he'd get beat by amateurs.

Lyle going toe to toe with Foreman shows that. Baer could not do the same.

Cause he fought in a much tougher era. Put him in Baer's era and he pretty much beats everyone.

 

Please tell me when Lyle beat Tyson, Lewis, Ali, or Holmes. Hell, tell me when Foreman beat anyone from that group.

No puncher ever beat such a competition. Your beloved Tyson built his resume mostly on fighters that were trash compared to them.

That's your opinion and you have no arguments to back it up. A shame that you don't use the same criteria for Liston, who fought much inferior competition than Louis.

Lyle got stopped by Ali, who you always call a weak puncher. Baer was never dropped, let alone stopped by light puncher.

Baer's chin was much better than Lyle's and motivated Baer would certainly have chances against 1976 Foreman.

He'd get stopped quickly by Louis and you know it.

 

like I always say max was trash ron ends him quick first round

 

you know they was trash on a skill and movement level nothing wrong saying that and max is not top 20 hardest puncher

 

Louis had the rare talent of able to lock a person in a hurt phase but that's cause the people he fought wasnt good at moving out the way

it's no way louis hit harder then Ron anybody can see that easy