Ron Lyle vs Ray Mercer who wins?

Foreman punched alot harder than Lennox Lewis or Tommy Morrison. And as somebody said once Holyfield dropped Mercer he seemed less eager to trade while Ron Lyle was able to not only knock down a prime Foreman but go toe to toe with him for a while.

Lyle fought in a far better era. You can say Quarry was a cruiseweight but so was Holyfield and Quarry didn't have to use steroids like Evander did.

Foreman has a lot better chin than Mercer and if Lyle could knock down Foreman he could knock out Mercer. And for those of you who say Foreman's chin got better with age that is plain stupid. No fighter gets a better chin with age if anything it gets worse because you have less fluid around your brain.

Anyway Lyle by descision or late round TKO

 

I would go with Mercer an a war of attrition. Lyle accounted himself incredibly well against Foreman, but I tend to think Mercer lends himself well to this type of a fight. He is generally much more troubled by a boxer with a good jab who can maintain distance.

 

A prime, in shape Mercer would outhustle Lyle to dec. Mercer nearly took the crown from a prime Lewis, Lyle couldn't scrap a victory over a way past prime, war ravaged Ali.

I seriously doubt Lyle hit harder than Cooper, Lewis and especially Morrison and these guys landed flush bombs on Mercer to no effect. Lyle is not winning by KO, not no way not no how.

 

Agreed, it will look similiar to Mercer v Cooper.

 

No he didn't. Close to shot/shot Ali, shot Frazier, mentally fragile Foreman were the 3 biggest things in the time Lyle was a contender. Lyle couldn't beat a past prime Quarry, who doesn't hold a candle to the prime Holy that Mercer fought. Imbellic logic.

Also it is possible to get a better chin with age, Ali showed that quite well. Foreman also began neck training and got alot fatter which adds a layer of protection so the neck didn't snape around as much. If not from a purely physical aspect it's also probably mental, both men matured and Foreman's whole modus operandi did a 180, made him one of the most relaxed people in the ring ever.

Also no proof that Foreman punched 'alot' harder than Lewis and Morrison. Both men stopped Ruddock, name one person as durable and as big as him that a prime Foreman stopped...

 

the proof is that moorrison said (an interview for the radio) that he changed his style against foreman because he could not trade with a guy who was that big and did hit that hard, and morrison did not ran from lewis and he destroyed ruddock, evander holyfield faced lennox lewis, tyson , bowe,tua(sparring partner) and yes.. he said that the hardest puncher was george without a doubt, here is your proof. and ruddock weighed barelly 188 pounds in his early carreer he never was "that big" simply the guy trained in the gym, ron lyle was more durable than ruddock easily and as big, he took shots from shavers

 

Lyle for me by decision I can't see any more than 3points separating these two on the scorecards . Great fight

 

Foreman hurt Holyfield with his punches Lewis could not. Foreman faced a prime Holyfield when he was 42 and Lewis fought Holyfield on the downside of his career. Holyfield said Foreman hit harder.

Ruddock was done when Lewis knocked him out so are we going to give him credit for that?

When Lyle turned pro Foreman was still in his prime. Lyle is the same age as Ali and if you believe the great Ali was past his prime when he was 33 or 34 why was Foreman able to fight until he was 50.

I didn't ask you if a person can get a better chin with age I told you they couldn't so that is the end of the story. I didn't ask you could they become more calm. None of that has to do with somebody hitting you in the face and you taking it. Unless you are a neurologist then why do I care what you think? The older you get the less fluid is around your brain. The less fluid around the brain the more brain damage you my sustain from being punched and the less your ability to take a punch.

Oh Heavy_Hands makes a great point. Ron Lyle was a naturally bigger man. Something else that shows punch for punch Foreman punched harder even when he was older. Shannon Briggs ran from Foreman like a ***** because of Foreman's power. Yet Shannon Briggs stayed right infront of Lewis and tried to exchange with him. That is why a 50 year old Foreman couldn't knock him out and Lewis could.

Also I never heard any person who faced Lewis period praise his power. That isn't to say he wasn't a hard puncher but various heavyweights including Foreman punched harder.

It is kind of Funny how Ron Lyle is put down because he lost to Ali who is the same age as he is when he was leading the fight and the stoppage was quick. Quarry out boxed him? So and Max Shmeling who was past his prime out boxed and knocked out Joe Louis.
The Foreman fight took everything out of him. He was basically done after that fight so the loses after Foreman didn't effect how good he was in his prime.

 

Morrison knew he was chinny and so the smart and logical thing to do was not stand in front of Foreman. Especially THAT Foreman when it's much easier and much safer to stay on your bike. Morrison did not run from Lewis because if he stayed on the outside well out of his range and well in Lewis' he knew he wouldn't stand a chance and that's basically what happened. He had to be on the attack.

I think Lewis' power is overrated tbh but not Morrison's, Pinklon Thomas and Ray Mercer both said he was the hardest puncher they ever fought and the names between them are staggering :Tyson, Lewis, Wlad, Cooper, Briggs, Bowe etc.

Mercer, Morrison and Ollie McCall didn't think much of Lewis' power.

 

Stopped reading about halfway through, way too much bull**** to address. You think Lyle beats Mercer? Cool.

 

In shape Mercer wins.

 

Couldn't disagree with this post more.

 

Except for Ken Norton all the guys who said he hit the hardest beat Shavers, all of them.

Ron Stander got totally busted up by Candy slim Jeff Meritt, getting stopped in 3 rounds or so, Stander beat Shavers.
He's still saying Shavers hit him harder, and that's strange.

And don't come with the bull**** that Shavers was a shitty finisher or not skilled because that's simply not true.

Shavers his fame is build on giving some men a tough fight and stopping a lot of cherry picked bums

 

I read the interview where Mercer said Tommy hit him the hardest.

"You were always known for having a rock solid chin. Who hit you the hardest in your professional career?"

Ray Mercer: Tommy Morrison. Morrison hit me so hard to the body with those hooks that I was actually farting in the ring. (Laughs) You have to act like…you can’t let the guy see that you’re hurt, but I’m pretty sure he heard and smelled a couple of things. (Laughs) But he hit me harder than I was ever hit in boxing.

I don't really think a fighter can estimate how hard a guy hit him in a serious fight where all your focus in on boxing.
But if you start farting from bodypunches you know that guy is a powerpunching machine.

 

Foreman his neck had gotten thicker, a thicker/stiffer neck helps absorbing punches better because it stops the punches from accelerating your head somewhat.
Being calm is extremely important as the mental aspect of taking punches, you can either keep yourself calm or you start brawling like Khan and get KTFO.
And when opponents can't read your face they don't know when they can finish you either.

Also the cranial fluid point would be valid if it wasn't for the fact that Foreman his trainer used to dehydrate Foreman before matches thinking it would make him a better fighter inside the ring.