ron lyle vs rocky marciano....

...Which is why I'm probably going to have to change my pick.

 

I am giving Young credit that non of these guys show up at there best,

The Baer that crush Max, would destory Young, while the Baer that lost to Braddock might lose to Young.

 

Well that is a plausible scenario , I thought you were matching them prime for prime.:good

 

I just assuming if we put Young in his prime, in the 1930's, the early part after Tunney's retirement, there is a good shot he might win the title when these guys dont always show up at there best.

I mean I cant see him beating Rocky who shows up at his best fight after fight.

Or Louis who shows up in shape
or PRIME Dempsey, I cant mention 1926/7 Dempsey lol.

Or even Johnson. I think his best bet for title honors is in the early 30's.

 

Louis-Young is a fascinating fight actually imo. Louis is my #2 rated HW but Young is the ultimate spoiler. Louis was troubled by spoilers, and I think Young could, key word is could, beat Louis under the right circumstances.

A rematch would follow of course if Young could steal a win, and in a rematch I would favor Louis greatly to recapture his title. How do you see a Louis-Young fight playing out?

 

Young mostly did all right against slow, big punchers ,against a fast heavy punching combo artist like Louis, who had a beast of a jab too.
I see an early night!

 

It relly depends, like you said, he could spoil Louis, but I see this fight going for the most part like the Tommy Farr fight did. The jab would keep Young in his place, like it did Farr. Also think if Louis hurt Young, he finish him.

Foreman hurt Young, but didnt finish him in that fight. Young still won on my card, but Foreman did stagger him, I think in the 6th or 7th, been a while since I saw it. Louis at the top of his game would have ended it imo.

Also dont see Louis gasing out like Foreman did. If no knockout comes, Louis puts the pressue on in the last rounds to seal way a points victory.

 

I really don't see Young beating Louis. He might make Louis look unimpressive, but then again, the judges who scored most of Young's fights were never very impressed by him either. Young's biggest showings were wins over Foreman who was no longer fit to fight in the 70's and was seeing Jesus in the locker room after the fight, Lyle who was a good contender, but not an all time great, muhammad Ali who was shot and fought him to an almost even verdict. and Ken Norton who again who was neither an all time great nor in his prime, and nor was it decisive. A prime Louis would have struggled mightily against him, and probably lost a number of rounds, but in the end, I think he'd finish it....

 

It should be noted that Louis hurt his hand early in the Farr fight.
He stated in his auto biography ,that he thought he would have won inside the distance but for that.
Just wanted to mention it.

 

Perhaps, but Farr has a strong chin, and he relly took a pounded in that fight.

Farr even joke evey time he heard the name Joe Louis, his nose started to bleed.

Sore hands or not, I think if Louis DOES not get the ko, it might turn into something like this imo. Farr was good at spoliling people like he did to Louis. Not sure if Farr can impove in a rematch.

 

Young would never win the title in the 1930's. First of all he was black, and didn't have the charisma that Joe Louis had to succeed as an African American celebrity in those days... Secondly, he lacked power and the right style to win the hearts of judges and the crowd. Even if he beat the living crap out of a guy like Billy Conn, chances are he'd still come up short on the cards... Had Jimmy Young fought during the 1930's and 1940's, he would have been another member of the unknown black contender group who's members included Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivens, Turkey Thompson, Lem Franklin, and Lee Q Murray..

The only difference is that his stage name would have something like Young Boy Young

 

Farr told my Dad, Louis gave him a belting, but he allways said he was robbed against Braddock.

 

All good points.

I'd probably make Louis the favorite for many of the reasons you listed. Just pointing out that Young-Louis could potentially be a dangerous fight for Joe.