Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm RBR

I freely admit I know absolutely nothing about judo. However, it seems to me that part of the Olympic sport includes knowing how to grab the opponents bathrobe (or whatever it's called). I mean I can imagine that is part of the training....grabbing the loose material.

Neither MMA nor boxing has those robes....so the fact that Rousey (or anyone else) won a judo contest doesn't seem to be a transferable skill to either MMA or to boxing.

Now Greco-Roman wrestling would seem to be a good sport to excel at both in the Olympics and in MMA.

 

Tbh in this thread is the most hate about another martial art I've seen anywhere.

I tend to expect grown ups to try and be objective, we're all obviously fighting enthusiasts so really it should be all gravy just appreciating how awesome it was seeing two awesome fighters have a fight and one of them managed to execute an awesome dominant performance - I was on the edge of my seat through most of the fight and am an instant huge Holly Holm fan. The main reason I've popped in here isn't actually so much about MMA as I think it trivialises exactly how awesome an overall performance HH executed.

I'm clearly a huge boxing fan even though my background is a variety of martial arts and boxing is the one I've done least of and latest, yet you don't actually get me saying any are better than the others. The closest you'd get is that I'd wager a Judoka beating a boxer in a Judo match, a Boxer beating a Kickboxer in a boxing match and a Kendoka beating a Rikishi in a kendo match... etc. Really that's the smart money and no doubt a contributing factor to Rousey's hiding, she's effectively an expert Judoka who has spread her net wider and tried to out box a boxer. Holm was way too smart and humble to try and bring a Judo fight to Rousey.

The reason I like this "MMA" thing is you could conceivably get a fairly evenly skilled Jiu Jitsu, boxing, and Muay Thai expert all rolled into one person.

 

The Rousey vs Mayweather mismatch really was a big reason why I wanted to see her down fall.

80% off MMA fan's actually believed she would win, and most thought it would be in less than 30 seconds, it was just so good to see her stomped and see them change their tune.

Some diehards still think she would win

 

While they aren't classical judo techniques there are pickups/leg grabs in judo. I'd expect someone of Rousey's background to be familiar with them. Train the double leg, and then just say it's morote gari.

 

Holm used several MMA techniques to win, thus the reason it was a MMA fight.

The kick at the end was icing, Rousey was out already. What the "experts" here fail to acknowledge is that without the MMA/Judo techniques, it very possibly would have had a different outcome.

Many here fail to acknowledge that Holm used a front oblique kick quite a bit to control the distance and the elbows did significant damage. Without those would the outcome be the same? Hard to say

Examples of the kicks to control the distance: http://imgur.com/a/6WWqa (far more than these examples were used)

 

Yes...I saw some nice elbow work by Holm.....surely that's an illegal move?

 

it is in boxing... not MMA :good

 

Ok now I understand my wife when she said she "Holmed" me after elbowing my head the other day.

 

A double leg takedown is the most basic of takedown moves in MMA. I'd venture to guess that everyone learns it regardless. The fact that Ronda did nothing but try and walk down Holly after eating that many straight and hooked lefts is incredible. Halfway thru the first round, she was a walking zombie. The second she was full on zombie mode.

And yea that elbow by Holly was a crusher. Not many ppl, man or woman could shrug off a blow like that. In retrospect given how much damage Ronda took, she's got quite a chin on her. lol, she's got twice the chin that Khan has.

 

If you look closely at the elbow blow it was partially blocked. It actually caused Ronda to punch herself in the face on the way through.

Otherwise it would have been lights out I would imagine..

 

Even mma pro's that have done it for years will tell you wrestling or grappling is not a sure fire win against a boxer or even a streetfighter. Ortiz and the legendary Gracie family have said this. Plain and simple, if anyone was supposed to "take down" Holms it was Rousey. And look at what happened. This was a legend boxer in her prime, not a badly faded legend like Toney or Mercer.

 

Her (and of course her trainer's) mistake was that she concentrated on boxing both in her training and the fight itself. Instead, she needed to have a freestyle wrestler training her to be better at those double leg and single leg takedowns. Yes, every MMA fighter "knows" how to do that but very few are good at that. Those takedowns would be very helpful against such a good boxer and kicker as Holly.

 

The thing what most people tend to forget is most MMA fighters are rank amateurs at FIGHTING. So they can easily be exposed. Yes they might have wrestled for a couple of years, did some juijitsu for a couple of years but how long have they actually FOUGHT and what quality of opposition have they faced, the answer for most is not long & low quality of opposition. More than just showing how weak Ronda's striking is, her failure to adapt and cope with the pressure shows that shes still an amateur at the fighting game, just like many mma fighters are, although it has to be said that woeful display was particularly embarrassing :rofl

Boxing does teach you how to execute your plan in a FIGHT. Someone is trying to take your head off in a high pressure environment. Experience of that, especially at the higher levels and over a long period will mentally & psychologically already put you several tiers higher than the average mma fighter who has only fought a couple of times. I hate watching novices fight. Thats why so many mma fights should not even be televised! :hey

 

Wow, well said. This should be stickied.

 

Very good post indeed