Round 2 scored 10-10. Are you kidding me? (Tank/Garcia)

10-9 is bad enough, 10-10 is absolutely criminal.

It doesn’t even meet the criteria for a 10-9. Sure, Ryan was winning by virtue of throwing more punches, i.e. ineffective aggression; he wasn’t absolutely dominating. It is a clear, standard 10-8 round by any objective, sane definition.

But to score it 10-10?? Moretti needs to retire and/or be investigated, imo both.

 

Well, it was a hard round to score and since Tank was a head on the score cards at the stoppage it didn’t look it was a “fix” or anything funny going on, if Garcia would of been a head on the score cards you would have a case.

 

Ryan Garcia battered him the whole round and got caught with a flash knock down to be fair.

 

No its not automatic,where did that come from.Garcia dominated most of the round as Davis seemed to want to hold on for dear life.I don't believe he was hurt but was holding way more & longer than is the norm.After Getting Knocked down Garcia got up & controlled the rest of the round.10-9 for Davis.No where does boxing state an automatic 10-8 round when there is a knock down.You get a point for winning the round & a point for every knock down.Generally it is a 10-8 round when you Knock down an opponent but if you are dominated the whole round & then score a knock down than you usually win the round but 10-9.You can also get a 10-8 round with out even Knocking down your opponent it's called dominating the round.

 

This isn't even the first time this has happened in a Garcia fight.

Campbell v Garcia (2021). Round 2, Campbell scores a heavy KD. One judge still scores it 10-9.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13635654/campbell-garcia-scorecards-judge-knockdown/

To be honest, that looked like a fixed fight. Campbell stopped throwing with any real intent after he dropped Garcia, it was bizarre. Like knocking him down was never part of the agreed upon plan.

 

So if you're twice dropped in a round it's 10-6?

It's just that under the 10-points scoring system it goes as 10-9. 9-8 means very different.

Good topic, reveals the boxing knowledge of some people.

 

It isn't. See Hopkins vs Pascal. A flash knockdown in an otherwise dominant round can be scored 10-9.

However, that wasn't a flash knockdown, and it wasn't a dominant round. That should have been 10-8.

 

Exactly this. I’m fine with the premise, but this doesn’t meet that criteria.

 

I feel we need @IntentionalButt to give a class like he did on betting rounds 9.5 over and under

 

The way I saw it, I was about to give that 2nd round 10-9 clearly to Ryan Garcia. Now I have a decision to make, do I now make the round even as the knockdown has now evened up the round or do I tilt it toward Davis?
I have to make that decision based on how much in front of Davis I had Garcia winning the round before the knockdown.
I thought Garcia was winning comfortably based on pressuring and outhustling and causing Davis to go into clinch mode.
Now I ask myself was Garcia dominating that round? And my answer is no to that, which then causes me to figure that the knockdown itself is going o cause me to tilt the round into Tank Davis' favor.
In other words was the knockdown more impressive than Garcia's winning the round on boxing merits, and since I did'nt feel Garcia was winning the round dominantly I felt the knockdown was slightly more impressive than Garcia's work in that round, but certainly not impressive enough to turn an otherwise 10-9 Garcia round into a 10-8 Davis round. That knockdown is not going to make my scoring of that round turn around by 3 points.
Had I felt Garcia was dominating Davis in that round I would have scored the round even 10-10 with Davis scoring the knockdown.

 

Hmmmm not sure about that

 

If the exact same knockdown occurred at the start of the round, and Garcia won the rest of the round and did the same work as he did Saturday before the knockdown, it could conceivably be a 10-9 round for Davis (and not 10-8).

But when guys get knocked down hard like he did, it's normally a 10-8 round. If the knockdown happens early, you want to see the fighter who was floored come back and win the rest of the round so he "only loses" 10-9.

However, the round, for the most part, is lost, unless you come back and score a knockdown yourself.

Scoring a round with a knockdown 10-10 is just bad scoring. They don't want you to score 10-10 rounds when a round is close anyway. Scoring a clean knockdown is better than staggering a guy with a punch. And it's better than just outboxing someone for a round. If you don't want to give him two points, and only give him the round 10-9, an explanation is required.

If you score a round with a hard knockdown even, and the guy who got knocked down didn't get up and basically drop the other guy or stagger him badly and have him in trouble, too, that's just recognized as a bad score in the 10-point must system.

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Does anyone believe that if the roles were exactly reversed Garcia would have not gotten three 10-8s from the judges?

 

I disagree.
There have been rounds where fighter A battered fighter B and boxistically dominated the round to the point that a 10-8 round to fighter A was plausible. Now if the round disparity is to the point where fighter A deserves a 10-8 but is knocked down by fighter B but not seriously hurt during the round, I score that 10-9 to fighter A or 10-10 at worst, depending on how bad the knockdown looked.

It does'nt matter to me what part of the round the knockdown occured, it could have happened in he beggining or middle of the round, if fighter B did relatively little in comparison to fighter A, I'm not going to reward fighter B a 10-8 round for a knockdown, especially if the punch was more on the side of a flash knockdown.

 

Moretti is notorious . Its almost impossible these days to get 3 honest judges & one honest impartial referee especially in Vegas. Why isn't the NSAC hauling these clowns in & making them justify their ludicrous scorecards? They certainly are not doing their job. I think its $$$$$$$$$$$$ causing the corruption