Round three of Kovalev-Mikhalkin. It's not a rumor...

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  1. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Kovey really doesn't like body punches.

    A soft punching journeyman cranked up a few straight lefts to the body last night on Kovey in the 3rd, and every time, Sergey dropped his hands and took about three steps back. Then he looked kind of tired after that. Luckily he was in there with a survivor. I wasn't ready to give Bivol much of a chance, but after watching that, I don't know...
     
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  2. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kovalev doesn't like body punches indeed, however Milhalkin is not a "soft punching journeyman". He's a top 20 LHW without question.
     
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  3. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Would you call the #20 guy in the weight class, at age 32, a "contender?"

    For me it goes like this:

    All time great (SRR)
    Hall of Famer (Lomachenko, Crawford)
    P4P top 10 (Canelo, Spence)
    World champ (Robert Easter, Caleb Truax)
    Contender (Uzcategui, Jarell Miller, Mc Joe Arroyo, Brian Castano)
    Fringe contender (Sullivan Barrera, Miguel Roman, Jesse Hart)
    Journeyman (Mikhalkin, Felix Valera, Hank Lundy)
    Prospect (Joe Joyce, Steve Clagget, Lawrence Okile)
    Suspect (Marcus Browne, Mason Menard)
    Ham-and-Egger (Deontay's first 30 opponents)

    If you put Mikalkin in with any of the LHWT champs, Bivol, Kovalev, Stevenson, Beterbiev, he gets KO'd every time, so he's not a "contender" and he's too old to be a "prospect". A fringe contender is the guy who could win a championsip if everything works out just right, he ain't that either, so he's a "journeyman". He good enough to beat other journeymen in Russia, but not top 10 here.
     
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  4. kirk

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    Bivol tko 8
     
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  5. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kov weakness has been exposed. Love him or hate him, Ward figured that out in the first fight. Those straight rights to the belly Krushed the Krusher. The blueprint is there
     
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  6. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Well your criteria is off on so many levels. He's a top 20 fighter in the world- He only had one loss prior(way earlier in his career) and beat solid Euro-fringe world level guys like Ngumbu and Oosthuizen. Thus not a journeyman.

    To point out a flaw... How the hell is Jarell Miller a Contender but Barrera isn't? His only losses are to Ward and Bivol. Roman and Hart are contenders as well.
     
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    Wow, your scaling is quite different to mine.

    For me a journeyman is out of the top 50 of the division, fringe contenders from about 20 - 50, contenders from about 20 upwards, top contenders in the top 10. Sure, contenders lose 9 times out of 10 to the top guys, but every now and again one lucks out and becomes a champion.

    I actually think Truax is merely a contender who got a bit lucky (although I'm very pleased for him indeed).
     
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  8. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    His scaling is wildly inconsistent and just odd in general.
     
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  9. jmashyaka

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    I don’t think it’s luck bro, if you won then it’s actually hard work and effort that produced those result. If Traux didn’t train and come to win, he could never have beat Degale.
     
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  10. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    How the circumstances lined up that allowed him to win the title is luck. He's not a world championship caliber fighter as evidenced by his entire career - far better fighters past and present have been unlucky not to have won world titles. He's simply a cherry pick gone wrong - plucked by a guy who was ruined in a single fight. Not the first this has happened and it certainly won't be the last.
     
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  11. CST80

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    Barrera has been down in 5 of his last five matches, Bivol couldn't drop him until the 12th, and he landed more clean heavy shots on Barrera than anyone Barrera has faced to date. Kovalev is a far better counter puncher and pure technician than Barrera, and quite frankly I doubt Barrera would make it out of the third or fourth round against the Krusher.

    People need to step back and assess Bivol's weaknesses a little more, yeah, no one wants to in light of how amazing he looked last night, but he also got tagged clean a hell of a lot, and if Barrera was more heavy handed, he may have badly hurt Bivol with a few of the shots he landed.
     
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    Of course it's far from purely luck, he also had to work hard. But he was lucky in the sense that he caught DeGale at the right time. That was not a good version of DeGale he fought. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted for Caleb, but I doubt he can beat the other champs (Groves, Ramirez, Benavidez).
     
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  13. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The word CONTENDER starts with CONTEND, meaning "will he win a title. Barrera has been in with two titleholder and he is probably 2-22 in rounds, he's not contending.

    Jarrell Miller is undfeated. I can imagine him beating either Joshua, Parker, or Wilder, woudln't bet on it, but can see it. He's a CONTENDER, meaning, "one day he might win a world title." Barrera won't he's old and he wasn't that good to begin with, but if everything is right on his best day, he MIGHT beat weak titleholder, so he's a FRINGE contender.

    Ngombu has had one title shot and lost. He has also been knocked-out by guys like Mohammedi, who got obliterated when they stepped up.

    Oosthuizen has held the IBF title, which I don't rate. He's been a pro for 10 years and hasn't had a legit title fight yet.
     
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  14. slender4

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    See I take the world literally. Contender to me means "threat to win the title". Look at the boxrec top ten:

    #10 is... Sullivan Barrera. Who's title is he a threat to, Bivol's, Beterbiev's, Stevenson's or Kovalev's. I would say, none of them. Not a contender.

    #20 is...Yunieski Gonzalez. A fringe contender is a guy who can beat a title holder on his best day. Which of those four can Gonzalez beat on his best day? I would say, none.

    #25...Somebody named, "Travis Reeves". Fringe-Contender? Never seen him fight but at 15-2-2 does he have a "best day chance" against any of those four"

    #30...Somebody named "Adam Deines" from Germany. 14-0-1, "Best day chance against Stevenson or the rest? If he could fight, he'd be a "prospect.

    #35...Stefan Haertel, from Germany 15-1...his one loss to... Adam Deines...

    #40 Ali Akmendov from Sweden...

    #45 Timy Shala from Austria

    #50 Charles Foster from New Haven Connecticut. Hey, good looking white American guy! Hopefully he can fight, but he ain't beating Bivol or Beterbiev.

    [url]http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/572175[/url]
     
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  15. slender4

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    He was a "fringe-contender" who beat a good champ on his best day, now he's a "world champ" because he has one of the 4 major belts.
     
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