Roy Jones and james toney vs the fabulous four

Hagler always had problems with slick, speedy boxers. Even in his prime yrs. They come no slicker or faster than R.Jones. The only way Hagler could win this fight is blitzkrieg Jones. He only did that once(against Hearns he, and everyone else knew Hearns legs were not great) But he wouldn't do that based on his career. I see Jones by dec. Hearns wins a comfortable dec against Toney, Toney wouldn't press Hearns, instead, he'd wait for the perfect counter, always respecting Hearns middle right hand, Hearns uses that excellent jab, pops Toney every once in a while with the right hand, wins a comfortable dec.

 

I think Duran would just be too small for them.

 

Roy and toney would beat all them.hagler would be the closest fight

 

I doubt Ray Leonard goes the distance with either one, Duran is too small but loses decisions. Hagler in his prime walks down Roy and ko's him in 14. Hagler outworks Toney. Hearns ? If Roy hits him he wins, Hearns would have to box. Toney? at middleweight I give Hearns a sleight edge

 

Roy Jones is just to big to make this very competitive.

James Toney is the same way.

The only legitimate fights could be Hagler or Hearns, I think Toney loses to Hagler, Jones is a 50 /50 unless Hagler does the Hearns Blitz.

Hearns would have the ability to hit Jones with his boxing ability and speed, both had the power to KO the other. But my guess is Hearns gets there first.

Hearns Loses to Toney though, he will get countered and then get in trouble. I think Toney handles the bombs and takes Hearns late.

 

How do you see the fights vs Hagler going at 160 given you think he loses to both?

I'd give even the green but immensely talented Jones a decent chance here. Toney not as much.

 

I don't see James or Roy being in the fab 4 to be honest. I don't know why. It takes guys who would fight anyone. James would do it, but he really had some lackluster episodes and he was never the names those 4 were. Roy? He didn't fight anyone all the time like the fab 4 did. I just don't see his competitive nature like the fab 4. Whether he could beat them is another story, but the competitive nature is what the fab 4 is known for and fighting them all. not really who beat who..

 

Roy beats all of them.

I'll give Toney the benefit of the doubt and sat he knocks Hearns out since he did it to Nunn. He'd probably lose close to Hagler in a potential classic. Duran was too small and idk what would happen eith Leonard since he potentially could outbox Toney but was also slipping at 160.

 

I would think they would be right in the mix I would not be surprised if Hearns was the most troublesome for both but

Toney-Duran
Toney-Hagler
Toney vs Hearns
SRL vs RJJ
Hearns vs RJJ
Hagler vs Toney

they would be alot of fun

 

I disagree with your assessment of Toney vs Hearns based on how Toney dealt with Michael Nunn. My breakdown of that fight here https://imgur.com/gallery/ccwN4. They were both tall, fast, and had excellent skills, Hearns hit harder but Nunn had the better chin. I think Nunn also had better defense than Tommy. Say what you will about Toney and his habits but being a big hitter isn't the key to beating him.

I think Tommy sweeps the first 4 based on his higher output but Toney is in every round and working the body. Eventually Hearns, as he was known to, gets suckered into a brawl with one of the best counter punchers ever. Hearns loses by late round KO I suspect. I think Jones would have a harder time with Hearns than toney.

Hagler vs Toney would be a war, 50-50 fight, brutal and exhausting through out. I think Jones probably wins a UD boxing on the back foot but he's walking on thin ice the entire time.

Toney vs Duran is actually a dream fight for me matching 2 of the best inside fighters ever against each other but weight classes exist for a reason. Toney takes a close UD. Jones just Sugar Ray's Duran. Hit and run, rinse and repeat for the duration. Jones was good at tying up inside fighters as well. Too big, too fast and too good for Duran.

I think I'd favor Sugar Ray over Toney by UD. The Reggie Johnson fight is why. Back foot boxing, hit and run tactics and combination punching gave Toney fits. I think Sugar Ray with his excellent stamina could keep to this gameplan long enough to takethe W against Toney. Jones Ud's Leonard by being a much larger version of him. Ray would actually be dealing with somebody faster than him and bigger than him.

 

easy to say they would beat them all. I think James was a very good fighter, but not all time great and Jones? He was not the warrior needed to compete in that era. He might beat one of them and the pressure in the next fight might get to him and he is knocked out. As far as being knocked out. I don't think Jones belongs in the fab 4 ranking. He was great, but not competitive great. I don't see him in an all out war and winning. And you need that in the fab 4 era.

 

Jones is too fast i see him outboxing hagler and jones had the power to get his respect he was naturally bigger than hagler too it should be a factor. Toney had iron chin so hagler is not stopping him. To be honest toney vs hagler is a closer one. I think that it would be a cute fight.. Hagler being the aggressor and toney would counter punch him to death. Physically toney had all the advantages.he was the bigger stronger man

 

I think Hagler would outbox Toney utilizing his superior jab. Hagler would pile up the points with the jab and Toney would have to come to Marvin i reckon. Hagler had excellent punch variety and i don't See Toney overly timing him.

Tho Toney and Jones both rose way up in the weights i don't get the feeling they would be overly bigger or stronger at 160. Prime Hagler was a lot better, stronger and indeed naturally heavier than McCallum for example.

 

Jones vs leonard would be alot more boring than people realize.
once leonard realizes his opponent is both harder hitting and faster and on top of that quite alot bigger. It would be like the Norris fight with Leonard trying a desperate attack here and there but mostly trying to not get knocked out by hair-trigger 1 punch KO monster that was Roy at 160. roy wouldnt be as agressive Norris and he was smarter so it would be alot of feinting and looking at each other with Ray paying heavily for every attempt at anything.
Yeah Leonard of 87 had alot more left than the91 version but Roy's physical advatnages over Leonard would be much more pronounced than Norris' so the dynamic remains the same.


Roy might be too green to deal with iron chinned courageous machine Hagler. But in theory he could also win a wide decision. This is one of those match ups that highlights how important the mental part of boxing is.


Jones decisions hearns, Jones knows about Hearns power and spent alot of time in the ring with Gerald mcclellan so he would be very cautious and would peck his way to a decision. Tommy Never gets the opportunity to line Jones up for the perfect KO punch.

Jones Duran I don't think I need to get into. Duran is my favorite fighter but he gets stopped inside 8 rounds if he really goes for it. And hangs on to a decision if he doesn't.

Toney wins a close decision over duran who is just a bit too small to get the winina great stylistic match up.

Toney Hagler is 50/50. Either way it comes downtown can outscore the other.
Hagler probably would be the agressor and toney would land fewer but cleaner punches on the counter. Kind of like with jirov.

Hearns wins a decision over toney. Theoretically toney could wear hearns down and bag him late but I just have a hunch that hearns deals with toney since he and steward are very familiar with the shoulder roll and he has both a sharp right that is difficult to see and a nasty left hook to the body which kind of both help set the other punch up.

Leonard toney is 50/50. Another one where psychology is important. Leonard would definitely get under toneys skin. Toney didn't like the "golden boy type"
Either it motivates him and pushes him to victory or he cracks and let's Leonard escape with a decision