Roy Jones and james toney vs the fabulous four

I love the fab 4 but I think Superman and Lights Out probably beat all of them, although to be fair none of the fights are a given except Duran who is too small. I think Hagler could possibly outwork Toney and Hearns could KO Roy if he landed clean but then again he was so fragile himself and I would suspect that Roy lands first.

 

He would just outbox them. And Hearns was far more vulnerable than Jones at 160

 

I added "154 lbs" as well.

I'll put the fights in Bold that I think the fab four would lose:

Roy Jones W12 Marvin Hagler at 160 lbs.
Marvin Hagler W12 James Toney at 160 lbs.

Roy Jones W12 Roberto Duran at 154 lbs.
Roy Jones W12 Roberto Duran at 160 lbs.
James Toney W12 Roberto Duran at 160 lbs.

Note: Roberto Duran was crap at 168 lbs so I won't even list possible scenarios there.

Thomas Hearns TKO 10 Roy Jones at 154 lbs.
Roy Jones W12 Thomas Hearns at 160 lbs.
Roy Jones TKO 10 Thomas Hearns at 168 lbs
Roy Jones W12 Thomas Heans at 175 lbs

Thomas Hearns W12 James Toney at 160 lbs.
James Toney TKO 12 Thomas Hearns at 168 lbs
Thomas Heans W12 James Toney at 175 lbs.

Ray Leonard TKO 8 Roy Jones at 154 lbs.
Roy Jones W12 Ray Leonard at 160 lbs.
Roy Jones W12 Ray Leonard at 168 lbs.
Roy Jones TKO 8 Ray Leonard at 175 lbs (If Leonard actually ballooned up that high and the fight wasn't at a "catchweight" with both 168 and 175 lb titles on the line)

Ray Leonard W12 James Toney at 160 lbs.
James Toney TKO 11 Ray Leonard at 168 lbs.
James Toney TKO 9 Ray Leonard at 175 lbs. (If Leonard actually ballooned up that high and the fight wasn't at a "catchweight" with both 168 and 175 lb titles on the line)

BTW: I think it would be cool to see how Mike McCallum would fare against the fab 4 as well so I am going to add scenarios with him:

Marvin Hagler W12 Mike McCallum at 160 lbs.

Mike McCallum W12 Roberto Duran at 154 lbs.
Mike McCallum W12 Roberto Duran at 160 lbs.

Mike McCallum TKO 10 Thomas Hearns at 154 lbs.
Mike McCallum W12 Thomas Hearns at 160 lbs.
Mike McCallum TKO 11 Thomas Hearns at 168 lbs
Thomas Hearns W12 Mike McCallum at 175 lbs.

Ray Leonard W12 Mike McCallum at 154 lbs.
Ray Leonard W12 Mike McCallum at 160 lbs
Mike McCallum W12 Ray Leonard at 168 lbs.
Mike McCallum W12 Ray Leonard at 175 lbs.

I picked Roy Jones to beat the fab 4 at every weight except for Hearns and Leonard to beat him at 154 lbs. Jones did fight at 154 lbs. for a short while but never in his prime.

If you put a gun to my head and said "You must choose of the fab four to beat prime Roy Jones at some weight - I would pick Marvin Hagler to stop Jones late. - it could happen, but I would think it is more probable that Jones outpoints Hagler.

 

- Hagler KOs Jones
- Hagler UD Toney (in a close fight)

- Hearns UD Jones
- Hearns-Toney pick'them

- Duran loses to both. Also, he would make Jones look very bad, based on his fight with Castro.

- Jones UD Leonard
- Leonard SD Toney (Leonard gets decision as he is the more known fighter)

 

Roy beats them all other than Hearns who I think knocks him out. Toney loses to Hearns and Hagler but beats Leonard and they are all too big for Duran.

 

good post. You give Hearn credit at 175. I think Hearns beats Mike at 154 by decision might draw at middleweight and wins at 175.. it hink Ray beats Mike at 160 believe it or not.. but the 168 and 175 sounds legit.

 

I think Roy gets to much credit on the eye test. Yes he looks outstanding. But because of this people are easy to say , wow he was TBE at 168 .. You need to be tested by great fighters to get or even close to get that claim.. After Toney, he had the chance and just passed on it .. Now people are matching him with the Fab 4 who are all proven ATG's , yes Roy is an ATG .. but constantly tested and proven ranks over the eye test by a country mile, well at least or me

 

Jones was at his best at 168 and not 160 pounds. Against his best opponent Hopkins, he looked very human at 160 pounds. Hagler stops Jones in my opinion

 

You can put up decent arguments both ways with Jones vs Hagler.

We can say Jones was a bit green at 160 but 4 fights and 12 months after Hopkins he made 160 one last time and belted out Thomas Tate with an insanely devastating left hook. Now where i am leading to is that in his very next fight he moved up and thrashed James Toney in a career best win so he sure as heck could fight by the time he fought Tate.

 

Not really, the Toney fight was at 168 pounds and should not count.Roy was much more comfortable at 168 pounds

 

Jones was comfortable at 160 too as evidenced by his casual destruction of Tate.

The fight counts for me because Jones showed what level he was at technically skill wise right at this time.

If Toney was still 160 i have no doubt Jones would have done the same thing to him there.

 

By his own account, Jones had some trouble making 160. Jones might have beaten Toney at 160 but certainly in such dominant fashion than he did at 168. Toney was severely weight drained, pretty much a dead body when Roy fought him.

Anyway, this was about Jones - Hagler at 160. I see Jones folding under Hagler's pressure. He did not have the chin or experience to withstand that pressure. Roy was not that effective when pressured to the ropes,where Hagler would keep him.

 

Toney at cruiser and hw Would kick the ass of any version of jones so who cares if jones wins at lower weights

 

LOL

Maybe we care because they were in their prime at the lower weights.

 

Ok so we agree on Jones - Toney at 160.

I don't swallow all the excuses for Toney against Jones. It was about the biggest fight in boxing and they were both top 3 P4P from memory. Jones far too fast and slick and the epitome of what Toney would always struggle against.

Entirely feasible Hagler would pressure Jones out of the match. That's one side of the coin. Personally i think his chin was fine at 160 and 168 in his prime.