Roy Jones and Mike Tyson, where should we really place them?

No.

He did beat Tarver, but that gives an indication of how Roy conducted his business, why he could find the time to fight guys like

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ya to be fair though, Roy mostly fought all the top light heavies around that time except for Dariusz. There wasn't really that much competition around during that light heavyweight period.

 

That is something i would level at him to be honest, why move out of the 168lbs division?

 

i'm not sure i think he tried to make deals with Collins and Liles, but they declined, so Roy moved up to Light Heavy to find other competiton. Now i don't know if this is 100% fact but these are words that came out of Roy's mouth.


His Light Heavy resume isn't that bad tho, but it isn't great either.


Virgil Hill
Mike McCallum
Clinton Woods
Merqui Sosa
Reggie Johnson
Montell Griffin
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Antonio Tarver

 

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying he had a poor resume, that he was not a great fighter, he was a great fighter, just that if someone asked me, do I think Roy is directly to blame for his lack of opposition, then i would have to say yes, but thats just my own perception:thumbsup.

 

Roy Jones >> Mike Tyson

Poll options don't work for me.

 

Neither guys resume is as weak as people make them out to be. Both beat a lot of good fighters. They were just so much better than everyone else. They didnt beat a lot of big names, so you have to take into consideration the fashion in which they beat their opponents. Roy wasnt 49-1 against decent opposition that he struggles with. Roy was 49-1 against good opposition that he dominated. Same with Tyson. He dominated guys that didnt get dominated. That counts for something.

 

You forgot to mention he kicked roy ass too in the rematch. And hopkins has way more quality wins than roy.

 

Oh no doubt but I find funny that when ever Jones is brought up there is talk of who he didn't fight but people forget who he fought how he made them look while also being the naturally smaller man ..If you read most of the Jones thread it mostly starts with who he ducked thats all ..But im no fool I know Jones was an ego maniac too so he's no saint either ..

And if your gonna scrutinize Jones for taking those fights than fault just about anyone who has some questionable opponents on their resume as well ..

 

"Roy Jones Jrs lhw reign was great but he did not face guys who had alot of power who could actually hurt him or be a threat to him only guys he faced that did was Tarver and ofcourse Glen johnson a gritty smart veteran at this time and they both knocked him out. The only true technician he faced was at start of his career in Bernard who was green at that time those type of fighters are always late bloomers. The James toney fight was nice win but u have to concider the fight James Toney lost to montell griffin after that.. James looked sloppy lazy many concider those to be his worst performances ever up there with his performance against dave tigeri it was not the toney that fought michael nunn or iran barkley in there in that time period. But as for his lhw reign there wasnt any risk there when he took the risk with tarver he had close fight with him and lost to him twice and got knocked out by Glen Johnson think Roy makes top 10 lightheavyweight list but not a top 5."

I see something wrong with this argument here--

You Say Hopkins was green, but the guy lost again when after the Roy fight?

But then you go on the rag on Toney for what he did after the Roy fight. I think that both are unfair. Judge them the same way.

At the time, both Roy and Hopkins were green. And Hopkins would go on to dominate that weight with a record setting number of defenses.


And Toney was considered by many to be at least top 3 P4P at the time--yes he did slide after the fight but how is that Jone's fault?

 

Yeah Hopkins went on to never lose after that fight?This means what? Nothing. Salvador Sanchez after his loss went on to never lose neither its called a learning experience and u better yourself as a fighter to make sure it never happens again. Toney has bin up and down for his whole career his work ethic in training has always been questioned and has bin inconsistent in parts of his career these are facts. While Toney produced alot of gems he had alot of stinkers as well in his career.

 

168-175 just wasnt a premeir weight for him then he moved up to cruiserweight and he geled perfectly because as he got heavier his workrate began to decrease but it matched at cruiser cause he had th ehandspeed advantage at that weight class didnt have a great deal of hustle in which he had at 160 u can say him moving up in weight and getting better was because of the peds he was taking perhaps but i wont get into that. Just going by what it is he had some of his worst performance at that weightclass.

 

The only reason Hopkins had that reign was because Jones left the division .

 

Jones left the division cause he didnt wanna have rematch against Bernard. Only guy Jones ever rematched was Tarver he tried it out there and u saw the result. I dont know why bernard transformation is so difficult to understand the guy peaked in late 90s early 2000s everyone knows this its a similar case to Tyson Lewis. Tyson peaked early Lewis peaked later. Hopkins called Roy out right on hbo to his face so Hopkins did want a rematch with roy So did James Toney.