Roy Jones and Mike Tyson, where should we really place them?

The only guy i can think of that had close to this kind of success in his glory past 40 is big george foreman. But i would say Bernards bin much more successful.

 

whoawhoa he gave bernard a shot in 93? Neither of them were big stars at that time so dont get ahead of yourself that was at the start of their careers.

 

That's false. Roy was still seen as p4p#1 until he lost to Tarver. There was like a 3 year window in that time from when Hopkins schooled Trinidad and was himself put up there in the p4p standings. They deliberated constantly about making the fight in that time, but Hopkins insisted on 50-50 and that was it. It was his fault, as he was the one that needed the fight for his legacy.

If you saw how Hopkins turned around from the Calzaghe loss to school a young lion in Pavlik, he did struggle against Calzaghe. He virtually chose not to fight, using mostly spoiling tactics, conceding that he couldn't beat Joe in a fair fight. Same with Taylor, he should have whooped Taylor, but just couldn't deal with his speed and lost on workrate.

 

Again u Roytards completely ignore hopkins age. His stamina wasnt top notch for the calzaghe fight and he was 43 so he had to adjust things and he came in prepared against a more dangerous pavlick and he went to school on him for 12 rounds.

 

Roy was the up and coming star there. The point is he beat Hopkins, so Hopkins was the one who needed the rematch and had something to prove and so should have made the concessions. 50-50 to 60-40, in those circumstances, for a guy who wasn't a big draw, he had no excuse for not taking it.

 

I dont think u recognize the discipline and the significance to fighting past 40 Bernard had reigned the division for 10 years and in my opinion Hbo were tired of this oldman schoolin the youngsters in the middleweight division and they robbed him in the first taylor bout u saw what happend to taylor after those fights he was never the same hopkins then took on the man who knocked him out in kelly pavlik and he beat the brakes off of him.

 

Its all leverage that fight was 8 years ago if they fought right after that fight then yes roy gets the 60 percent split thats how it works but that isnt what happend doopy the dwarf. Roy ranup to another weightclass and Bernard reigned the division and he toppled pound for pound lists when he beat undefeated tito trinidad who was HUGE at the time so to say he didnt deserve a 50 percent split is pure bias garbage.

 

Excuses. His stamina wasn't good for Cal, but was good for Pavlik? Like I said, it was Cal's combination of speed and athleticism he couldn't live with, as was the case back in 93 against Jones.