Roy Jones at 160 or 168 beats any boxer in history P4P

Well I agree with the fact that Jones wouldnt beat any fighter ever. Thats a bit of a stretch.

 

Reid, Woodhall, Eubank, Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Veit, Lacy. None of them (Eubank was, but not when they fought) were "elite". But they were far from handpicked opponents. They were one level below being elite. He could of pushed to get unification with previous champs but that was more to do with FW although, again, I must state that Calzaghe employs him, not the other way around.

Regardless of what you may think, Calzaghe is an elite fighter. He has beeen handed a platinum bar in the shape of Kessler as this is the fight(s) that will cement his legacy. Kessler is still quite young and after Calzaghe can further his own career.

 

I'm not English, Welsh, Italian, American, Danish or Australian thus my lack of bias means I am more qualified than most to comment on RJJ vs Calzaghe.



People tend to get carried away with RJJ after watching the highlights, where for spells lasting a few rounds he is untouchable.

Calzaghe own quickness would mean Jones usual rountine of completely out speeding his opponent alone wouldn't be enough. Far slower fighters than have landed punches on Jones (Hopkin's for example), so lets not pretent Jones can run away with it.

It would be a close fight, where Calzaghe's superior stamina and heart are the deciding factor late on in the fight. Calzaghe decimates Roy Jones' very soul.

 

To each his own, you think he is an elite fighter, I dont.

 

LOL.

Thanks for the afternoon laugh my friend.

 

i think he could hang with anyone at 160 but would lose some At 168 hes the top dog

 

Yes but what happened when both Duran and SRL were given enough time to train properly? Duran waxed that ass.

But yes, there are very few who would even be able to compete with RJJ at 160 and 168, and I think that the lot of them that would have been discussed already.

I thought you meant everyone ever, not just 160-168.

 

he wasnt a complete fighter, in my mind a real fighter is supposed to have some of everything speed,power, good chin etc, jones only had a few of those attributes he was a great fighter but not a complete one, jones relied so much on speed he never managed to get caught by a good right hand or a decent left hook. glen finally showed to the world that without all that fancy speed roy was an average joe.
as soon as he hit his late tweties his speed dropped like a bad habbit and so did his performance.

 

Put prime Jones in with Calzaghe and it is basically like he is losing his speed (relative to his usual opponent). Vs Calzaghe, Roy suddenly becomes that shot Jones.

 

In another era, Jones would have been an interesting fighter to see.He was just too quick for most mortals.He could beat bigger guys with his speed.But alas,the Jones of the recent era cheated fans of some really interesting matches.He hand picked too many opponents.Beating Ruiz was a feat for sure, but what about Lennox Lewis? If he was fighting in the 70's, thats like beating George Chuvalo and ignoring Ali.For all his blather you would think he beat Joe Louis, Jack Johnson , and Sonny Liston.

 

"I don't believe in that pound for pound junk"- George Foreman


However, here's a go at it, some of the fighters I'd make a favorite over Roy Jones:

I would make a lightweight Roberto Duran a favorite over Roy Jones.

I would make a light heavyweight Michael Spinks a slight favorite over Roy Jones.

The films of Ray Robinson @ 147 that I've seen are grainy and short so I don't know about that, but I pick Ray Leonard @ 147 to be a favorite over RJJ.

All pound-for-pound, of course (Spinks can be p4p or at 175, for that matter).

 

Your argument is more than nonsensical. It's one sided bias.

Jones DID destroy Toney, who was a great fighter at 168, not a good one. He was ranked just as high and had already beaten more great fighters than your current favorite fighter Pacman. And you consider him great. Beating him 10-2 on many scorecards....that is destruction.

He fought 12 times at 168....11 I believe ended in KO.

As for your Hopkins theory....no one knows when Prime Hopkins is. So no one knows how green he was. Jones was also not prime yet. On top of this, Jones beat him 8-4 with one hand for half the fight. As a matter of fact, Jones was easily winning the first half of the fight until his hand was noticably injured. And Hopkins was tentative NOT through his own doing, but because Jones made him wary, since coming in at Jones before he reached the LHW division (where he fought fighters larger than himself) got you tattooed and usually without a chance to retaliate. BTW, Hopkins WAS in his physical prime.

Lastly, you totally exxagerrated. No one said Hagler or SRL wouldn't hit Jones. But Jones also was never hurt or even staggered until he reach the LHW division. Neither SRL or Hagler are larger than Jones, the opposite being true in fact. They would have hit Jones, he would have hit them. To argue that Hagler would have simply hit Jones and he would have gone down is showing quite a lack of knowledge of Pre Tarver Jones. There is nothing establishing that Hagler would have dropped Jones with a flush shot. Other fighters hit him flush with no effect at that weight.