Roy Jones ducked Steve Collins

bailey · Jul 31, 2011

kmac said: ↑

you should take your own advise. this saying makes you a complete idiot.
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Found any quotes of mine that are racist yet? Thought not liar :hi:

kmac · Jul 31, 2011

bailey said: ↑

All my quotes are racist! I am a liar :hi:
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i ran your last post through my bull**** translator and this is what came out. :good

Joe.Boxer · Jul 31, 2011

PowerPuncher said: ↑

I actually followed the sport at the time unlike you ******s. Jones wanted Collins and that was why Jones invited him to be ringside. Collins was then asked to fight Calzaghe to get ready for Jones but only wanted the 1 fight with Jones

HBO/Dibella however wanted Jones to face IBF champ Reggie Johnson instead of Collins

January 15, 1999
Jones clash heads for KO
by Harry Mullan and Wayne Higgins

PROFESSIONAL boxing is a world of hidden agendas, lies and bluff, but the confusion surrounding Steve Collins' date with Roy Jones is setting new standards.
It is hard to believe that a shrewd and streetwise pragmatist like Collins, a man who has always cherished his own reputation, would run the risk of exposing himself to public ridicule by announcing the fight was on if there was any doubt about it, but if we are to believe Murad Muhammad, the American's promoter, this is precisely what has happened.
Mohammad insists that there is no question of Jones facing Collins in Las Vegas, Dublin or anywhere than in the Irishman's imagination. He refutes the support which Jones' manager, Stanley Levin, has given to the fight, and says that Levin must either have exceeded his authority to speak for the fighter, or else has been misquoted or misinterpreted.
Yet, Levin, a Florida lawyer, who gives the impression of operating on a rather higher moral plain than is customary in this business, stands by his word. There is clearly a split in the ranks, and one possibly significant aspect of the affair is that Mohammad is trying to steer Jones into a light-heavyweight championship unification match with IBF title holder, Reggie Johnson. Jones already holds the WBC and WBA versions.
When Johnson beat Collins for the middleweight title in New Jersey a few years ago, Mohammad was involved as Johnson's representative. Their current relationship is unknown, but the cynical viewpoint — which is often the most accurate and rewarding — could be that he is pushing for the Jones v Johnson match with the tempting prospect of earning from it in both capacities, as promoter and through his "piece" of Johnson, if he has such an arrangement.
Such deals, known as double dipping, are commonplace in American boxing circles.
The American press reported the announcement that the Collins fight is on, but without any comment from Jones or Mohammad.
The match would have a degree of credibility in America, where Collins is still well remembered and accorded more respect than most European fighters are accustomed to receiving over there.
Jones is known to be growing increasingly bored with the lack of challenges on offer for him, and whatever doubts about the Collins match there may be in the Florida camp, they are unlikely to be coming from the man himself. As always, though, the money men will have the last word. If Jones' TV backers at HBO want the fight it will happen: if they don't, Collins faces the prospect of an excruciatingly embarrassing public climb down.
The latter may still be the case.
HBO chief, Lou Dibella, last night insisted there had been no contact between himself and either the Collins or Jones camp on the possibility of a fight.
Dibella, who as chief of the network to which Jones is contracted, would have to okay such a deal, said in a telephone conference: "There would be little or no interest in Collins v Jones in America. Collins has not fought in a year and a half and although he was a very good champion there would not be a great deal of interest in him in America at the moment. If he wants to fight someone else before Roy Jones then interest may pick up.
"I would like to see Collins fight Joe Calzaghe, who holds Collins' former super middleweight crown. Calzaghe is an exciting fighter, whom we have earmarked to fight Roy Jones at some stage. At the moment Reggie Johnson, the IBF light heavyweight champion, is the one who I feel most deserves a shot at Jones. However, if Collins was to fight Calazaghe possibly on a Jones undercard, then the winner could meet Jones in their next contest," said Dibella.
The likelihood of Collins fighting anyone but Jones is slim, given that he has consistently said that he would only come out of retirement to meet Jones.
Dibella said he had spoken to Murad Muhamad, but had not had any contact with either Collins or his solicitor, Brian Delahunt, when they were in Florida last weekend.
Collins' solicitor, Delahunt, said yesterday that he had been talking with Stanley Levin, Jones' attorney, regarding the contest, and that negotiations had been taking place between those two.
On the possibility of Jones and Collins, he said there would be no further announcements until negotiations took place between Jones' camp and Collins' camp with HBO.
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:roll:...it's clear who the ****** is. You still don't even realise the time period people are referring to.

As for Collins being ringside for Jones' fight....HBO & Jones didn't even give Collins an interview when he got in the ring. He was left stood like a bellend, half in camera shot.

Devon · Jun 30, 2020

120-108 in favor of Roy Jones

Babality · Jul 1, 2020

Don’t know if he ducked him but Roy is an overrated glass chinned fighter. A front runner. When someone stripped him of his aura of invincibility he was done.

The weight drained excuse is so ridiculous. Imagine thinking the human body is irreparably damaged by losing weight, a not extreme amount of weight. The excuse was ok for the first, but man they milked it for the rest of his career. If his body was that fragile then maybe he just wasn’t that great.

The whole “prime” thing is overrated. I am starting to appreciate more how fighters perform later in their career and also take away credit for guys who can’t adapt and fall of a cliff drastically. Roy barely took punishment but was useless late in his career. He was so useless that you have take away credit. He showed that he was not that great at all. No plan B, no intelligence, no chin, no adaptation, nothing. He might have beaten Hopkins in his absolute prime but Hopkins can say that he was better than him for a looong time late in their careers.

If a fighter declines steadily then is eventually useless, then that is more understandable and less credit is taken from them. Or if he’s badly damaged and took a lot of punishment. That’s understandable too. But if you had one of the best wins of your career and then you go from that to being knocked out by everybody and their momma, nah, something else is up. You lacked something. Tarver lost a ton of weight and then lost to Hopkins, but he could compete later in his career and wasn’t getting knocked out by everyone.

Badbot · Jul 1, 2020

horst said: ↑

"Calling people out" means nothing, it's mere words for TV cameras and the sake of appearance.

Steve Collins got butt****ed by Sumbu Kalambay, Mike McCallum and Reggie Johnson when he tried to mix it in the US market.

He went home and picked off past-prime Eubank and shot Benn, making a shed-load of cash in the process and getting his hands on a world title belt.

Should he go back over the pond and face the guy who trounced Reggie Johnson and an old McCallum?

Or should he stay at home, making safe defences for decent money, against some of the ****tiest challengers ever...

Cornelius Carr

Neville Brown

Frederic Sellier

Craig Cummings

This was what Collins was doing to try and force a fight with Jones? Please.

Roy Jones fighting Steve Collins would've been like Usain Bolt racing Missy Elliot, it would have been a lightning-bolt against a parked tank. And Collins knew it. Better to stay at home fighting a shower of ****e than go back to the US and get outclassed - again.
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Jesus! Have some mercy next time

Loudon · Jul 1, 2020

Babality said: ↑

Don’t know if he ducked him but Roy is an overrated glass chinned fighter. A front runner. When someone stripped him of his aura of invincibility he was done.

The weight drained excuse is so ridiculous. Imagine thinking the human body is irreparably damaged by losing weight, a not extreme amount of weight. The excuse was ok for the first, but man they milked it for the rest of his career. If his body was that fragile then maybe he just wasn’t that great.

The whole “prime” thing is overrated. I am starting to appreciate more how fighters perform later in their career and also take away credit for guys who can’t adapt and fall of a cliff drastically. Roy barely took punishment but was useless late in his career. He was so useless that you have take away credit. He showed that he was not that great at all. No plan B, no intelligence, no chin, no adaptation, nothing. He might have beaten Hopkins in his absolute prime but Hopkins can say that he was better than him for a looong time late in their careers.

If a fighter declines steadily then is eventually useless, then that is more understandable and less credit is taken from them. Or if he’s badly damaged and took a lot of punishment. That’s understandable too. But if you had one of the best wins of your career and then you go from that to being knocked out by everybody and their momma, nah, something else is up. You lacked something. Tarver lost a ton of weight and then lost to Hopkins, but he could compete later in his career and wasn’t getting knocked out by everyone.
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A terrible post.

Serge · Jul 1, 2020

Babality said: ↑

Don’t know if he ducked him but Roy is an overrated glass chinned fighter. A front runner. When someone stripped him of his aura of invincibility he was done.

The weight drained excuse is so ridiculous. Imagine thinking the human body is irreparably damaged by losing weight, a not extreme amount of weight. The excuse was ok for the first, but man they milked it for the rest of his career. If his body was that fragile then maybe he just wasn’t that great.

The whole “prime” thing is overrated. I am starting to appreciate more how fighters perform later in their career and also take away credit for guys who can’t adapt and fall of a cliff drastically. Roy barely took punishment but was useless late in his career. He was so useless that you have take away credit. He showed that he was not that great at all. No plan B, no intelligence, no chin, no adaptation, nothing. He might have beaten Hopkins in his absolute prime but Hopkins can say that he was better than him for a looong time late in their careers.

If a fighter declines steadily then is eventually useless, then that is more understandable and less credit is taken from them. Or if he’s badly damaged and took a lot of punishment. That’s understandable too. But if you had one of the best wins of your career and then you go from that to being knocked out by everybody and their momma, nah, something else is up. You lacked something. Tarver lost a ton of weight and then lost to Hopkins, but he could compete later in his career and wasn’t getting knocked out by everyone.
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Great post. The pathetic and fantastical excuses from the RDL (Roid Defence League) have always been a great source of amusement to me as has their utter desperation to believe they're the gospel truth

general zod · Jul 1, 2020

Why on earth has such a old thread been bumped up?

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