Roy Jones in his prime is the greatest ever

Prime Roy had elite power... No one just walks through it.

 

The Hopkins and Toney fights were both awful stinkers. In both instances, both parties were too tentative to engage so they say little about Jones' Chin.

Secondly, how in the **** are you going to compare LaMotta to Virgil Hill? Hill wasn't that good to begin with and he was shot-to-**** when Roy decided to fight him. He was too fast to have his Glass Jaw exposed by the clowns he fought. That does not mean that fighters of the caliber I listed had no hope of finding and Shattering his awful Chin.

I don't know what point you were trying to make but your awful comparisons made it moot before you even clicked the "post" button.

 

Hmmm, it certainly looked that way against shot jokes like Hill or blown-up 135ers like Paz but he certainly didn't melt his two elite opponents like that, did he? LaMotta walked through one of the best MW puncher's best Sunday punches like it was nothing. SRR hit him with murderous ten-punch and more combinations that could have put down an elephant and he still managed to stay on his feet in every bout they had. Jones' potshots would do nothing to LaMotta because he has an Iron Chin. That is a Fact.

 

Jones didn't really potshot until he moved up to LHW.. he had murderous power that could come from either hand, in angles fighters didn't expect and didn't see making them dangerous... His two elite opponents he faced were very good defensively... I think a Prime Roy is a pressure fighters worst nightmare, eventually you are gonna get caught, or worn down over 12 rounds..

And yes.. Hill was in Roy's 4th weight class moving up, being able to carry that power up and knock a good fighter out with a single shot to the body is very impressive. I think Hill was able to win a CW belt after that? i may be wrong.

But you are correct a fighter like LaMotta would be a nightmare for the current Roy.

 

Jones potshotted every halfway dangerous opponent he ever faced. The two times he fought skilled guys with good power he refused to engage, so did they, and both fights sucked ass. LaMotta would not be tentative like that, he would go right in and engage and even with his limited power, his own work rate, relentless aggression, and Iron Chin would carry the day.

Roy never could handle pressure, he folded like a lawn chair the few times he was presented with it and LaMotta would bring it in a way that he had never seen with an Iron Chin that was proven to be uncrackable in over 100 fights. There is no way of "catching" a fighter with a Chin like that. None. Do you understand this? Roy would be forced to fight off the ropes and we all know that he is no Ali when it comes to that. Never was.

Hill was shot-to-****, beating that French joke for the "title" doesn't mean anything. He lost it soon after that, might have been the next fight in fact, and never beat another decent opponent again. This is exactly why fighters like Jones get so overrated, because of the emphasis that people put on winning belts and beating beltholders when those belts often don't mean ****.

 

Metal,

Jake would get the **** beaten out of him. I don't mean to disrespect Jake, but Roy's speed and power would be far too much for him. Yes he'd keep coming, he was like a middleweight Marciano, but I'd have to think it would be a landslide points victory for Roy or a TKO. You're hatred for Roy, gets in the way of common sense. There's no way that Jake mauls Roy.

He fought nothing but jokes at 168 apart from Toney. That's convenient, saying APART from Toney. He only had 5 fights at the weight. Sosa was a good win at the time.
But he didn't stay long at 168, but the fighters he beat at 175 were as good as or better than Collins and Kessler. Griffin, Hill, Reggie, Tarver etc.

Also, Toney never mentioned anything about his weight troubles until after the fight. He was more than confident. Someone posted up an interview on youtube just yesterday, before his fight with Roy. He weighed in at 167. He told his manager Jackie Kallen he was fit and raring to go. She's confirmed this numerous times.

Who says the Toney fight was a stinker? Of course he didn't want to engage, he respected Roy's ridiculous handspeed and his skills. What did you expect him to do? It made fighters very cautious.

I know you like baiting guys like me, but come on, it's getting tiresome, give Roy some credit. We know he beat up some bums, EVERYBODY DOES, but Roy beat some good/great fighters with ease. Show some respect.

Regards, Loudon.

 

The only person letting delusions get in the way of common sense is you. Your nuthuggery is actually leading you to believe that Glass Jaw Roy who NEVER engaged dangerous opponents and ALWAYS folded under pressure would actually stop a guy with a proven Iron Chin that did not ever crack in 100 plus fights. Roy would not throw enough punches to force a stoppage, LaMotta would walk through whatever he did try to throw, and then he would pin him on the ropes and pound him while Roy did what he has always done when pinned on the ropes, cover up and try to slide out. Glass Jaw Roy is not SRR, not by a long shot. He never beat ANY opponent close to being on LaMotta's level and that is a Fact. You can take your "coulda, woulda, shoulda" **** somewhere else because we have to go on what actually happened in these fighters' respective careers and Jones did not and would not fight anybody like LaMotta.

Toney was a joke in that fight, as well. Talented fighter (highly overrated here) but he was fat as **** due to having already eaten himself out of MW and working on doing the same at 168. We have already been through this about Hill, he was ****ing shot and never that good to begin with. Griffin also sucked and his resume is ****ing awful. The only reason Jones fans act like he was any good is because he beat fat, overrated Toney twice. Jones never beat Tarver in my estimation. He didn't really win the first fight, he got brutally KOed in the second, and bottled it and quit trying in the third. Johnson sucked, as well, you're listing him because he beat Collins at what was clearly not Collins' best weight.

How many fighters do you think admit in the build-up to a fight that they are out of shape? That's a brilliant strategy, don't you think, to just let the opposition know that you have trained like **** and won't have stamina. Look at him. He was flabby in that fight and obviously lethargic. Seriously, moron, what is wrong with you? Do you believe everything that everybody says? It seems like if Glass Jaw Roy told you that he was going to challenge Godzilla for the mythical P4P title you would probably post that as a Fact which is proof that you live in fairy tale land.

Anybody who saw it would call it a stinker, it was awful. There was more circling and posturing than actual fighting and if I was an insomniac I would just put a DVD of that farce on and pass right out.

Wipe Roy's jizz out of your eyes and wake up to the reality that your hero was a Glass Jawed Fraud who was a better matchmaker than he was a fighter. He beat two great fighters and a load of frauds while avoiding power punchers like the plague. Fact. End of, nuthugger.

 

Incredible in depth analysts MM

It should now be clear for every delusional moron to see that Iron chinned warrior Jake Lamotta would violently stop Roid Jones

 

Metal,

Get the **** out of here! Jake would be absolutely battered. The ref would stop the fight. He didn't fight anyone on Jake's level? Haha!

Styles make fights! Jake would have got crushed. I think you're only saying this bacause he beat SRR 1 time out of 6. Roy had too much speed and power at that weight. He was a huge middleweight.

Of course you think Tarver won the first fight, because you hate Roy. He didn't win the first fight, even Buddy McGirt knew he hadn't won.

Reggie Johnson sucked? Really? Basically everyone Roy fought, was either ****, or washed up, or ill when he fought them right? You're embarrassing yourself! you hate Roy that much, all logic flies out of the window!

Toney's pride was hurt. He wasn't that flabby at all, he weighed in at 167. No I wouldn't expect to him to say he was struggling going into the fight. Not to the media or to Roy, that would have been stupid. But he didn't say anything privately to Jackie Kallen either. She's stated on numerous occasions that he was full of beans. (not literally) When he lost in embarrassing fashion, his ego was hurt, and he started telling people he'd had a cold etc. He had a huge row with Jackie, and went round to her house in a rage one night.

It was a stinker in your opinion. If Toney had have rushed him and got knocked out, you'd probably say that Toney had been stupid, and he shouldn't have done it.

Ruiz was feather fisted but managed to knock Holy down who had a good chin. Roy started out at 154. He moved up to fight Ruiz, who outweighed him by over two stones on the night, and about 4 naturally. So if Roy was scared to death of guys that could punch, what the **** was he doing fighting a 16 + stone HEAVYWEIGHT?! He was that terrified of big punches he tried to fight Tyson. That makes a lot of sense doesn't it? Yes Ruiz wasn't a big punching Heavyweight against other heavies, but he was big punching from Roy's perspective. Roy had spent his career fighting guys that were between 160-180

I've listed you some good/great fighters. Again, if you think they were all nobodies, you don't respect boxing, or know a ****ing thing about the sport!

 

Blah, blah, blah, blah, "Roy is unbeatable even though he never had to fight a relentless ATG pressure fighter like LaMotta, blah, blah, blah". Get over it nuthugger, only delusional fanboys like yourself actually think his record is even halfway acceptable. He has more great contemporaries missing from his resume than any other fighter who gets the sort of praise that he does. That is a Fact. Your revisionist history does not change the Fact that he was a ducker and a Glass Jawed Fraud from day one and, sorry to tell you, that is what the history books will remember. Now beat it, clown, I am trying to talk Boxing with people who were actually old enough to be watching it at the time we are discussing.

 

What's currently happening here is you're getting more and more frustrated while MetalMandible is getting more and more insane in his theories.

Listen, MetalMandible knows Roy Jones jr is the best fighter of all time, he knows Roy Jones jr would beat Jake Lamotta easily.
He agrees with you completely, he's just pretending to not think so in order to troll you and you are currently feeding the troll by arguing with him.

Like I've said several times, just ignore him.
Soon he's gonna change his av to a picture of Floyd Mayweather crying and start trolling Floyd fans.

Again, just ignore him

 

Jake Lamotta would be bringing pressure Roy has never seen, he wouldn't stand at the end of Roy's punches like most of the part time boxers he fought did.
He would continue to bring the heat, walk through Roy's punches and beat him into submission..
Roy only opened up when the coast was clear.. It would never be clear against Lamotta..

 

And ignore this guy too.
Chances are he's MetalMandible's alt

 

These guys are beating me in a boxing debate? Better put them on ignore

 

In terms of Talent.......yes....unmatched. almost superhuman ability but he lacked the technical skills and craft since he relied mostly on those talents and athletic abilities to get by when he was in his youth. I still think at LHW Bob foster would knock Roy out.