Roy Jones is the worst ducker ever in the sport.

Same as VITLAY dodged Rahman for 3 years for a reason, eh?

 

Nice avatar FW :rofl

 

I think equal blame should be given too both DM and Jones for nott making that fight ..Neither man was willing to budge ..

 

the whole thing about roy...would've beaten alll of them etc

well he didn't...did he,


always a reason why he didn't fight this or that....

but those reasons didnt come up when he had to fight lesser fighters

 

There isn't a fighter alive past or present that does not get this type of scrutiny !

 

When you see the list of fighters he could have fought and didnt its hard to say he never ducked anyone.I like Jones and its easy to say he would have beaten all those guys but we never got to see if he could.Yes he did duck fights and gets away with it where other fighters dont.

 

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Others have been accused of ducking, but me thinks there's more to it than meets the eye

 

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roy fought Toney and Bhops in their primes, whom both would've beaten everyone in the list mentioned roy supposedly ducked. would of they been competitive vs. RJJ? of course, but his speed and power matched or surpassed any of the fighters mentioned. Jones, Toney, and Bhops were all a level above all those guys easily

 

Roy Jones was so phenomenally fast that no one was looking for him if there were other options or choices. So, the opening premise is absurd.

The amateur name being referred to is likely Frank Liles (could be wrong though - too many years ago). I thought he beat Roy in '87/ or '88 at the Nationals. Liles lost to Roy in the US Olympic Trials when Roy was 19 in '88 at 156. Liles was a really, really good lefty and had four years (maturation advantage). He lost 3-2 in '88 to Roy. I thought Roy won all three rounds, the first clearly, the second was close, and the third was close. It was a war. Both were throwing bombs. Roy was smaller but so quick. Liles was the bigger man. Frank beat McClellan (who was about two years older than Roy, two years younger than FL) once (they only met the one time I believe) during these years as well. Roy had two wins over Liles and one loss in three bouts in the amateurs.

Here's some newspaper commentary on GMan's win over Roy then more from ex-boxer John Scully (post on Eastside previously) ...

Omaha World-Herald: "Two 1987 Champs, 156 pounder Roy L. Jones of Knoxville and 132 pound Donald Stokes of Louisiana, were eliminated last night.
Gerald McClellan of Milwaukee crowded Jones most of the first two rounds in pounding out a decision triumph. The 156 pound McClellan was there to slug with Jones from the opening bell, and carried the first round. Jones spent a lot of that time along the ropes.
Jones showed some movement in a fairly close second and then scored well in the early part of the third. McClellan was stronger at the finish when he again pounded Jones along the ropes and in a corner."

I saw Gerald a month later at Sugar Ray's training Camp in Maryland and he told me he wouldn't be able to spar for a while longer because his jaw was still hurting from the fight with Roy.

[Anyone got a youtube? lol]


Some more color from Scully ...

ONE OF BEST AM FIGHTS SEEN (1987 GOLDEN GLOVES CHAMP RJJ V 1987 NATIONALS CHAMP GMAN)......AFTER BEATING ROY IN THE SEMI'S, GERALDS CORNER PULLED HIM OUT OF THE 88 GG FINAL AGAINST RAY MCELROY BECAUSE HIS JAW WAS IN AGONY-IT COST GERALD A PLACE ON THE OLYMPIC TEAM AND MEANT HE HAD TO KNOCK EVERYONE OUT QUICK IN THE PROS TO GET SOME ATTENTION AFTER ROY GOT THE ALL THE ATTENTION FROM THE OLYMPICS AND GERALD TURNED PRO UNKNOWN (DESPITE BEATING ROY FAIR AND SQUARE)......

Later on in 1988, at the National Golden Gloves, Roy won his first three matches. The first one was a decision over Thomas Tate. He also scored a 3rd. round stoppage over defending National 165 pound Champion and Future NABF Champion Fabian Williams. Those victories set up a fight that someone should have taped for obvious reasons. The semifinal match was Roy Jones taking on Gerald McClellan. You would expect this fight to be very exciting. It was more than that. It was a WAR. One of the greatest examples of speed and power that I have seen in an amateur Boxing match. I remember that Roy was forced back to the ropes often in the fight but that what made the fight so thrilling was the way Roy would FURIOUSLY fight off the ropes with flurries. It was like watching two Olympic athletes fight for the Gold Medal or two guys going for the world professional championship.