Roy Jones Jnr - a plan B?

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  1. Miles5149

    Miles5149 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excellent post.
     
  2. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    sorry Mind reader, but Headbanger is spot on, Roy's plan B consisted of putting his hands up and going to the ropes and he couldn't even do that properly because it was so unnatural to him.
     
  3. hallelujahholla

    hallelujahholla Original Gangsta Full Member

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    ur a moron...RJJ not a true ATG? GET THE **** OUTTA HERE...the man accomplished something no one did in 101 years...his chin was never great but the reason it became weaker was because he gained a ton of muscle to fight at heavyweight then dropped back down to super middle weight...if you ever boxed or wrestled in ur life you would know that makes you weaker...especially at an older age...Roy is one of the GREATEST super middle/light heavies in HISTORY...most CERTAINLY top 50 ATG...STFU!
     
  4. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Headbanger has not clearly told me what a plan B was..... He said Pac and Mayweather and Calzaghe had a plan B. I was not aware the deteriorated enough to need a plan b...

    Then he told me plan B was the ability to make an adjustment in the middle of a fight.

    I am not sure what he is getting at.
     
  5. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Also, he went to the ropes with his hands up quite a bit in his prime, and was great at making fighters pay for coming at him. They would put him on the ropes and get counter punched, then eventually start backing up.

    It was very natural to him, almost too natural because he thinks he can still do it against top fighters and pays for it.
     
  6. hallelujahholla

    hallelujahholla Original Gangsta Full Member

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    the Roy Jones of 1997 could defeat any super middleweight in history IMO...speed and reflexes were NEXT TO NONE...and he had power...no one is saying his chin was great...and when you age and gain and drop weight...of course your reflexes and speed are gonna suffer...what does this douchebag have against Roy? He is most certainly one of the greatest of all time.
     
  7. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    yeah i saw the flaw in his question to, but got what he was trying to say, by plan B i think what he was saying was why wasn't Roy able to change his style to suit his needs and kinda start a new successful career post prime years.
     
  8. DRMULLEN

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    160LBS no 1...168 if for one fight no 1...175lbs top 3 at his best..heavyweight the nite he smackred Ruiz around a top 10 heavy all time...as for his ballz my sister is sucking em.
     
  9. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Yeah, I know.... I believe you covered that in your earlier post perfect. Great Post by the way.

    I was just picking at him for saying Pac and Mayweather had the plan B, obviously they are not past it at all and don't have to yet.

    But then he changed his argument, saying Roy never made adjustments in a fight that was not going his way, like Pac and Mayweather.
     
  10. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    if roy was losing, he couldn't change midfight to beat a fighter. leonard, mayweather, hagler, ali, calzaghe could all change defeat into victory. jones could not. jones is not a proper ATG. he could not turn defeat into victory.
     
  11. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    pac and floyd have been in trouble in the middle of fights but managed to change the outcome.

    roy could not.
     
  12. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Wrong again.... He was losing against Griffin, adjusted started winning on 2/3 score cards then got disqualified. Came back with a totally different game plan and knocked him out in the first round. Did you see those fights?

    Also, He was losing against Tarver in the first fight, started working on his body and came back to win that one.

    What argument are you talking about???

    Is a plan B the ability to adjust your style when you are past your prime?

    Or the ability to adjust in a fight?

    You are not very clear.
     
  13. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    for all these Roy Jones fanboys popping up (not you mindreader) the TS is not saying Roy is not an ATG or trashing him, but merely asking why he had such a tough time coping when he lost his most devastating asset.

    Btw its my view that its very difficult to see anyone in history even coming close to beating a prime Roy, the dude was a freak athlete that probabily woulda been great at any physical activity he did, thankfully his dad chose boxing. but being that freakish ment he had to pay a price and it was relying so heavly on being one.
     
  14. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How about getting used to not fighting with your hands down and chin up like a dumb ass.

    Roy looks lost doing the ear muff thing, he clearly dosent know how to do it. And it looks forced
     
  15. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    my bad it seems like he IS saying Roy is not a ATG, there goes my defence of the TS.