Roy Jones Jr and weight classes

No, you.

 

Wow.. you're stooping so low. Atleast the rest of the chin checkers are in sync with what they tryna say... you comment as if you just got out of the bed.

 

Yes Toney and Hopkins are for example both bumsatsch

 

Could you please list RJJ's 5 best wins in your opinion?

 

Why didn't Roy fight worthwhile opposition between Toney and Ruiz?

 

Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz(not a great fighter but not easy to beat if you are small as Roy),Virgil Hill, maybe Montell Griffin 2

 

This is my take on things. I think when this sort of question is asked, people have an image of Roy in their mind, getting knocked out by Green, Lebedev Tarver and Johnson, and then laugh off Roy having any sort of chance.

People think that if Tarver can knock out Roy, then Wlad would decimate him. I agree 100%. But that's IF Wlad, Haye, or Vitali could have landed a clean shot on him. I think people have short memories, and they forget just how great Roy was at his peak. Now if you think they all could have landed clean on him, fair enough. But I don't think they all could have done.

Almost any fighter, in any weight division, is capable of knocking out another fighter if they land clean. We know if Haye etc had have landed on Roy, it would have been goodnight. But the version of Roy that fought Ruiz at 34 was still an incredible athelete.

David Haye has copied Roy's style of fighting, but he hasn't got the footwork or the reflexes to pull it off. He gets hit far too easy, and like Roy, he can't take a punch. He's basically a poor mans Roy Jones. Now Wlad recently fought Haye, and despite him winning clearly, Haye's movement frustrated him all night long, and he couldn't land cleanly on him all night to put him away.

The only advantage Haye has over Roy at Heavy, is power. Wlad respected Haye's power. If Wlad had've fought Roy, he wouldn't have respected Roy's power in my opinion. But he'd have been very wary of his handspeed. As I say, Roy has better Handspeed, footwork, reflexes and shot selection over Haye. Haye never even attempted a single bodyshot when he fought Wlad, despite saying he'd got no leverage to hit him with a big overhand right because of his toe.

So, my question is, If Haye recently frustrated and caused Wlad a lot of problems with his movement, why do people think (the Ruiz version of ) Roy wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of rounds with Wlad? Doesn't make sense to me. If you think Wlad would catch him, fair enough, but he couldn't catch Haye, and I don't think he could have caught Roy. I think Roy could have beaten him on points in a very lackluster fight.

I also think the Ruiz version of Roy could have beaten Haye at CW or HW on points. Again, if David had have caught him, he'd have been out for a week, but IF is the biggest word in the dictionary. I think Roy would have outboxed him to a win.

I think Vitali is a different kettle of fish all together. I think Roy's chances of a win would be extremely slim, and I could see Vitali stopping him.

But like I say, I think Roy carrying on too long, has affected peoples judgement.

Go and watch Roy's win over Ruiz, and Then watch Haye's fight with Wlad, and then tell me that Wlad would have destroyed Roy. I just can't see it.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Those fights would have been unfair (Lewis and Klitchkos). A small cruiserweight against big heavyweights.
Even if he lost a competitive fight against any of them it would have been amazing.

 

Hey Knockout, how's it going?

We've been through this so many times before ha!

I think you're being disrespectful mate. He did fight worthwhile opposition between 94-03. Yes they weren't all time greats, but they were good fighters.

He beat Reggie in a shutout, and that was a good win.

He beat Montell Griffin, who you admit was a good fighter.

Virgil Hill was a good fighter. Yes he'd been beaten before he fought Roy, but he was a good fighter, and he was certainly worthwhile opposition. Roy knocked him out in just 4 rounds.

Eric Harding beat Tarver and then Roy fought him. He was a southpaw over 6ft, and he caused Roy a lot of problems.

Then you've got Woods and Gonzalez. As I said in my previous post to you, there's a lot of people on here that think Glen Johnson beat Roy because he was a good fighter. You and others think that Roy's weight loss is an excuse and Johnson was a good fighter. Well, you can't have it both ways! Johnson had three hard fights against Woods, AFTER Roy had toyed with him for 6 rounds.

Yet you and others on here, won't give Roy any credit for that win, and say Woods was a cab driver.

Gonzalez was apparently a Mexican Roadsweeper. But shortly after Roy had dominated him, he went on to beat DM. Was DM really shot to **** at that point, or was Gonzalez better than people first thought?

I've said this a thousand times on here,

Go and look at who Roy fought. Look at who they fought and beat before they lost to Roy. Then afterwards, go and look at who they went on to fight and beat. It makes very interesting reading. There's a common misconception on here that Roy fought just bums. Yes he fought his fair share of them, but he beat some great fighters, and he beat good fighters with absolute ease.

There's lots of examples I could give.

Malinga caused Benn all sorts of problems. Reggie beat Collins. Tate went 12 with Jackson, then Roy destroyed him in less than 5 mins, I could go on and on.

Give the guy some respect.

Regards, Loudon.

 

dis dood went to sleep standing up. . . .

 

I agree with most of what you've said here except I do think Hayes punch resistance is higher than RJJ's ever was. Not that haye is an iron chinned fighter or even a decent beared guy. He is still however able to take heavyweight shots unlike that of RJJ and Wlad was genuinely concerned that Haye had the ability to KO him with the pop he has wherein he wouldn't have that worry at all with RJJ . Thus after jabbing and wobbling him from range for several rounds would then move in and KO him. I think we all appreciate Vitali would walk through him and I think Haye would land at some point and we wouldn't see Jones get up.

 

Hi Loudon,

You make some very good points, fighters like Griffin, Johnson and Hill were all good wins. Though I don't rate the likes of Woods, Gonzalez or others very highly.

Interesting post about Roy vs the Heavyweights.

I think Wladimir Klitschko would beat Roy hands down. Roy simply wouldn't be able to get to Wlad, who excels against counter punchers who fight on the backfoot. Whilst Roy had the power to get Ruiz's respect, he doesn't have the power that's gonna hurt Wlad with single shots. To say Roy would be cautious of Wlad's power is an understatement. If Roy is at his defensive best, and runs for his life, he'll lose a decision. If he gets caught with a couple of left hooks, or big right hands, it's lights out. I'm sorry but no matter how highly you rate Roy, and how low you rate Klitschko, you cannot pick Roy to beat Wlad, especially the younger more aggressive Wlad.

With Haye, you're right in that Haye himself admits he based his style on Roy Jones. He is a poor man's Roy Jones in a 220 pound body. However, Haye is much bigger than Roy, and is more skilled than you give him credit for. He knows how to set those big right hands up. Haye struggles against guys who impose their physicality on him, and can take his best shots. Roy would do neither. Ruiz was slow, and completely feather fisted. Haye is actually quite heavy handed, guys like Klitschko and Haye can take Roy out with one shot, Roy can't take these guys out.

What do you think?

 

Hi mate,

You've made some good points there. I agree that Wlad wouldn't have been concerned about Roy's power, and he was concerned about Haye's big right hand. I also think that Haye could take a better shot than Roy. But I honestly believe that Roy's movement would have been too much for Wlad. Roy had a nasty habit of backing himself into the ropes during fights, and if he'd have done that with Wlad, i think he would have been knocked out. But if he'd have stayed in the centre of the ring, I think he could have frustrated Wlad to a boring points win.

I also think he could have outboxed Haye, and I don't think Haye would have been mentally prepared enough. I think Roy would have had a huge psychological advantage going into the fight, and it would have affected Haye's performance. Of course if Haye had've landed clean, it would have been over in an instant, but I honestly believe Roy's skills would have kept him out of harms way.

Thanks for the reply, and I respect your opinion.

Regards, Loudon.