Roy Jones Jr beats all of your middleweights & light heavyweights

While Roy Jones might in theory have been fast enough to clown anybody, hindsight and common sense, tell us that he would probably have got mixed results against the greatest fighters of his weight.

The cards wouldn't always have fallen in his favor.

 

Del Valle didn't get credit for the knockdown, I think it was ruled a slip, but that was a knockdown and Jones was hurt. Shades of things to come.. and if Del Valle could do that.. well.. Qawi might do tripple the damage.

 

And Micky Walker fought a draw with Jack Sharkey.

 

The Spinks Jinx.

 

I agree that Prime Ward could have given RJJ some trouble—I’d still pick Roy in that fight. I have so much respect for Dre’s accomplishments, but he never fought somebody that moved around the ring like Roy.

However, I strongly disagree that Roy struggled with young B-Hop. He played with his food a little after building a comfortable lead, but that fight easily could’ve been scored 118-110. Hopkins is one of the greatest to ever lace them up, but he was never close to winning that night.

 

C’mon dynamicpuncher, I am counting on you to elevate this conversation and put me in my place! No buzz words—just analysis—tell me exactly how the great Michael Spinks beats down and stops the great Roy Jones.

(And you don’t have a Spinks hater on the other side of this screen, I scored both of the Holmes fights for Leon’s brother!)

 

I don't want to put you in your place it's just your previous post logically didn't really work for me.

You said and i quote.

Well who did RJJ knock out at Light Heavyweight that was even in the same stratosphere as Michael Spinks ? Spinks's Light Heavyweight record is considerably better than Jones. So i don't know why you're trying to discredit Spinks when clearly he has a better resume at Light Heavyweight so i'm not really understanding your point here.

You also said.

Muhammad was never stopped in 59 fights and Spinks put him down with one right hand and almost knocked him out if RJJ got hit with the same Spinx Jinx he would be KO'ed no ifs or buts.

Muhammad would also be the best Light Heavyweight RJJ faced based on H2H basis.

I don't see how not knocking out a fighter who was never stopped in 59 fights and is incredibly durable is a negative.

This post was also a bit baffling you say in your own words RJJ didn't have the best resume, but in another sentence you're so confident he beats an ATG Light Heavyweight with genuine KO power who's a H2H nightmare ? so you're basing it on RJJ looking great against B and C class Light Heavyweights ?

Again i ask when did RJJ ever fight a genuine puncher at Light Heavyweight in his prime ?

I also see RJJ at Light Heavyweight struggle against Montel Griffin, Eric Harding, dropped and visibly hurt by Lou Del Valle aswell.

Also worth noting Griffin's awkwardness gave RJJ alot of problems who was Griffin trained by ? Eddie Futch. Who did Eddie Futch also train ? you guessed it Michael Spinks. The difference is Griffin isn't a puncher like Spinks is not to mention Spinks is considerably taller than RJJ with a longer reach.

And then you made this comment which was a bit silly to be quite honest.

RJJ didn't have the best chin and you don't think a 6'2 visibly bigger Michael Spinks who's a H2H nightmare with KO power in either hand couldn't KO RJJ ?

Michael Spinks was a very good counter puncher and was very smart at setting traps, you honestly think RJJ wouldn't get hit on the chin at some point by Spinks ? who has the longer reach and is considerably taller ?

I just don't understand why you're so adamant that Spinks couldn't KO Jones ? when a counter puncher like Tarver sparked him out with one punch.

And i can assure you i've seen every single notable fight of Spinks, Jones, i'm actually big fan of both fighters but Spinks should be the considerable favourite over RJJ at Light Heavyweight.

 

That's a great callback to Eddie Futch training Griffin. I had that fight 6-2 to Griffin at the time of the stoppage, but the great ones find a way to get it done even on the bad nights...and RJJ would have certainly finished the show in R9 if he didn't shoot himself in the foot on the knockdown. He proved four months later that he had Griffin pretty well figured out.

Speaking of Griffin, RJJ's beard help up pretty well to the clean combos and counters he was eating to the head in Rounds 2, 3, 6, and 8. If you're applying late career LHW ---> HW ---> LHW Roy's chin to fantasy matchups than you're not using prime Roy.

Harding and Del Valle are not credible examples. If you nitpick Spinks' resume in the same way, you would find plenty of examples of him playing with his food a little before imposing his class. RJJ beat the sh*t out of Del Valle for 35 minutes and 15 seconds, suffers a clean knockdown—moderately hurt for 45 seconds while Del Valle smothers himself—and then resumes beating the sh*t out of him for the next three rounds. The Harding fight is basically Mayweather-Gatti after Round 4...even the great ones yawn through some early rounds.

I'm going to rewatch some Spinks for the sake of doing my homework, but a certain amount of nostalgia casting is taking place regarding his power. I remain unconvinced—RJJ by decision all day.

 

The Del Valle knockdown RJJ was considerably hurt from that knockdown, and didn't actually throw a punch for another 30 seconds and had to see out the round because he was dazed.

Again what i alluded to earlier RJJ never fought a KO puncher in his prime at Light Heavyweight, he never had that fear looming over him that one mistake and it could be curtains and Spinks carries that threat in a big way.

Harding won 4 rounds vs RJJ it wasn't an impressive performance and from my memory RJJ was punching his arm alot ? and Harding had to retire from an injury to his arm ? i'm not entirely sure if RJJ punching his arm caused the injury or if it was something else, regardless i give RJJ credit for finding a way to win but i wasn't impressed with him in this fight.

To cut a long story short so we're not keep beating around the bush as i said earlier i'm big fan of both fighters, but i think the naturally bigger Michael Spinks who has considerable height and reach advantages aswell as having KO power in either hand would be the favourite in this fight. Jones is very good at Light Heavyweight but i dont think it was his best weightclass where as Light Heavyweight was clearly Spinks's best weightclass.

If you want to have an opinion that RJJ wins that's fine just like it's my opinion that Spinks wins, the only problem i have with your post is that you totally shut down the idea of Spinks KO'ing Jones ? and i would think Spinks has a very reasonable chance of KO'ing Jones, and i would also say that's pretty much the only way Spinks does win if he is going to win. Because i feel like Jones would probably be ahead on points early on and Spinks would need to KO Jones to pull out the win.

PS if you want evidence of Spinks's power look at the KO over Marvin Johnson i believe they said the uppercut sounded like a shotgun.

 

Gee I can't work out who could beat Jones at 175. It's a big mystery

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Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson. Ha Ha.

 

Michael Moorer also puts Jones lights out at 175.

 

I must go, I must go far away from this place.

 

Don’t go. I find your viewpoints entertaining.

 

Those top north hall of fame fighters are a whole different situation than a Garcia level fighter. Floyd knew how to avoid those top level guys. There is an art to handpicking.