Roy Jones Jr, Declares Himself Pound 4 Pound The GOAT...

If the current state of this forum and boxing fans was alive and well throughout Roy's prime, oh lord, we thought the P4P king of the last decade+ was hated with continued attempted discredit...

Not a Roy fan. Incredible fighter but once I start trimming a list to get to the best fighters ever, I don't have to worry about thinking very hard if Roy makes the top 10. GOAT? Joke.

 

Or that he relied on his athleticism too much, hence when his reflexes slightly dimmed his career was more or less over. The weight cutting angle is just another excuse from RJJ fanboys.

 

Every defensive fighter relies on Athleticism and reflexes... That's doesn't mean diddly squat. Losing the muscle mass in which he had to put on in the first place to challenge Ruiz, depleted him and made him flat in the first Tarver fight. But Roy being Roy had to dig deep and rely on what made him the super fighter he was at that time. Athletism. You're just too bias to understand that.

Still. To say Lomachenko has a WAY better boxing brain than Roy is ridiculous.

 

What do you know about cutting weight? You're just parroting a forum mantra and acting as if it's the end all be all. Roy was a great fighter... I've never denied that, and if anything have warmed up and come to appreciate his feats more in recent years. But the fact remains that his fanboys overrate some of his achievements and there are some asterisks next to his name in general. Putting it all down to draining is a cop out. Roy was at his peak and having a highly unorthodox and reflex/athletic style suggests that he had probably hit a wall age wise and in addition to facing a great fighter in Tarver some holes in his game became more apparent.

 

It's significantly better. larger than the athletic edge Roy has on him. Play semantics all you want. This is what many people think whenever the two are compared on here. There's nothing ridiculous about it. Lomachenko is one of the great amateur talents of all time and could very well be the biggest talent of his generation.

 

I've done plenty of weight cuts, so I know about the dehydration, vitamin deficiency and all that comes from cutting weight. Don't play that **** with me. I don't need to parrot anything. Fact of the matter is Roy was 35 years old when he had that weight cut, and it was muscle mass mind you that he lost which took a toll on his body.
You've sat here in this forum and talked like GGG Is already over the hill at 35 years of age but want to act like That weight cut didn't have any kind of affect on Roy especially at that age during that fight, and I must say you sound totally ludicrous.

 

Lomachenko is very talented, yes, but I haven't yet been impressed by him on the Levels of which Roy has impressed me by watching him throughout the years. I couldn't care less about what Loma has done in the amateurs.. That's behind him now, its what he does from this point on that will solidify any claim that he's the best from his generation.

Just think about it, Loma could possibly lose some fight down the road, and do you really think that his amateur pedigree would be talked about more than his pro career? I doubt it.

 

Indeed. Pressure fighters(boxer-puncher) tend to hit the wall earlier, as do athletic fighters who rely on reflexes and their athletic ability as opposed to conventional technique. Roy was definitely past his prime but the cut wasn't the sole factor in his decline. Age(dimming of reflexes and speed in general) had just as much of an impact. Why do you think Hopkins and Tarver lasted much longer as fighters? Not like Roy was war torn as he didn't take a lot of damage in the first half of his career - His style was overly reliant on his athletic ability and when he hit that mid 30s wall it was simply a case of being old over night more than taking off too much weight.

 

Nah.. Were talking 8 months here. 8 friggin months. Roy put on a masterful performance in beating John Ruiz for a HW strap, then next fight he looks like a shell of himself, and you're saying he just got old overnight? That has everything to do with the weight cut, and Age just wasn't that big of a factor like you claim.

Second fight, Roy just got hit on the button, nothing more, nothing less. Anybody who gets hit on the chin like that is going to sleep.. PERIOD! But Roy looking as good as he did for the first round and a half showed he had recovered from the first fight completely. Which throws the Age angle you're trying to run with here out the window.

 

Well he won the first fight so the excuse is kind of moot. Lots of Light-Heavyweights cut weight as well. 18 lbs in 8 months isn't as hard as you're making it out to be. Tarver was also a superior talent to that slow moving clinching heavybag Ruiz(who wasn't a legitimate beltholder anyways and would go on to get schooled by Toney down the line)

An expert counter puncher like Tarver landing a perfect counter on a guy with a flawed defensive style and might have begun to decline athletically due to age? Hmmmmmm. Boxing is a game of inches where the smallest margins matter a great deal.

 

It isn't fat were talking about here, its muscle mass. His strength for the first Tarver fight was depleted which goes back to my original point. I'm not going to repeat myself. The 8 months between is my counter for your claim he got old overnight which I totally disagree with. Look at his body language in the first fight ffs, you can't tell me you weren't thinking he was a drained fighter watching that fight live in '03.. Everybody was thinking that, and id doubt many people even brought up the idea of Roy turning old overnight.

Like I said, Roy was a superb fighter but he wasn't Superman. Any fighter who gets hit on the button like Roy did, is going to sleep.

 

Overall a fair post but I take one major exception...Tarver was not a great fighter. If not for that eyes-closed, Hail Mary hayemaker that knocked Jones out in their rematch, AT’s career was pretty forgettable. And that is what is so weird in considering Jones’s career. Has there ever, in the history of all of boxing, been a fighter of Jones caliber so highly accomplished and revered brought to an immediate end by a guy who was known for underachieving? By one single punch?

 

OK Here my 2 cents worth....
We all know Roy was robbed in Seoul in the Olympics but that did him mpre hood than winning gold. He refused to travel abroad to fight for fear of " being robbed again" he therefore avoided many legitimate & dangerous opponents. some of his so called title defences bordered on the ridiculous. Rpy was a great talent like Floyd but both failed to make full use of their talents & therefore both fell short of achieving P4P #1

 

If he was.....

A) He wouldn't have to say it and try to justify it.
B) He wouldn't still be boxing to look for whatever it is he is missing.


I don't like these claims about fantasy P4P anyway.

 

I remember when Roid Jones was busted in Indiana for roids.................he was really good on roids, but still not good enough to beat Michalczewski...................he kept running from Michalczewski for years, HBO tried to get him to fight him, but Roid always said "NO". Roid did fight postal workers, such as Thornton, garbage collectors, janitors, etc., easy fights, easy money.............