Roy Jones Jr. ducking opponents...

Well, since that means the total opposite when it comes from the general board I can live with that.

 

I think that Calzaghe's recent comments makes it pretty clear that he wanted nothing to do with a prime Jones. Ottke??? Im not going to touch that oneatsch

Maske was really out of the picture at the time that Jones moved to Lt heavy. Jones signed to fight Rocco after the WBC ordered the fight, after they screwed up and allowed Rocco to fight for the belt after they assumed that Jones was going to move up and fight Douglas at heavyweight. Rocco was a no show, Steward who was training him at the time said that he had no idea were Rocco was, and that he was never keen on fighting Roy anyways.

What would have been the point in fighting Hopkins and Toney again??? Guy like you dont want to give the guy credit for beatting them the first time....What would change???

I have noticed that fewer and fewer people are bit*hing about who Jones did and didnt fight now-a-days. Once a fighter gets close to the end people start to reflect on a fighters career, and view it more open then they did went that fighter was active or in his prime. Jones has done every thing that he needed to do to be an ATG. Sure his resume could have been better, but name me one fighter in the history of the sport who couldnt stand to have a couple of more top names on them???

Guys like you come on here and start dropping names without knowing the time line and how things actually played out at the time...

 

Yeah, a real pity, I also wouldn´t call it ducking but if Jones had the desire to be named alongside Armstrong, Robinson, Langford, Greb, Walker, Duran and so on he would have made the fight happen.

DM was indeed very good. Great jab, great chin, relentless pressure, good workrate. He had all the tools to even beat but at the very least bring out the best of Jones. In this fight we could have seen Jones true potential. I would favour Jones but only slightly.

Roy was the bigger star in the US but in Germany unknown to the casual fan, same the other way round. I agree that the US was more important then but that´s no reason to fight there.
Roy only had the belts because DM was unrightfully stripped of them. You know the story. The officials wanted Jones to have the belts because he was the bigger draw and they would make more money. That´s why they stripped DM. Jones never won them from the real champ.
Also DM was linear, not Jones. Meaning DM was the champ and Jones the contender.

 

BULL....If that were the case then DM wouldnt have spent the last five years of his Career calling Jones out after every fight then turning down multi-offers to fight him...DM used Jones name to keep fighting second class fighters.

 

My point is if Jones really had the desire to be named alongside Robinson and his company he would have made at least half of the fights named happen. He went for the easy way, the money way instead. Just like PBF does now.

Shutting up his critics. Look at the resumes of the greatest. They all gave rematches.

The thing is, Jones was destinyed to become a top10 if not top5 atg. And to become that he should have fought a lot of those names. He didn´t and so he is borderline top30 - well, I consider only 25 fighters as atgs detached from weightclasses so guys like Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe, PBF aren´t even atgs.

Oh boy, I thought you were one which who can be discussed on the subject but getting personal disqualifies you.

 

Were you living at the time over here or me? DM wanted Jones to come to Germany, Jones wanted DM to come to the US. Both didn´t want to go. A pity but fact.

 

In my opinion Calzaghe shouldnt be ranked anywhere near as high as b-hop, rjj, n pbf

 

Well, I agree. I just named him because he is a well-known active fighter who is considered great.

 

well why wasn't massive money offered?

 

That's right ! Thanks ! The argument remains.....

 

There wasnt enough money to make that fight. Dibella said in an interview in RING that they asked what it would take to get DM to come here and fight Jones. DM's promotional company UBP never responded. Keep in mind that DiBella hated Jones and Roy was one of the reasons that he left HBO. DiBella went on to say that it was clear that DM and Kohl had no real interest in fight Jones, here or in Germany. He said that HBO gave up on any shot at making the fight, and moved on to other options.

 

spot on, there are fights Jones could have made more effort to get (DM especially) but its fair to say Jones was the man at the time ( linear champion or not ) so if these guys had been so desperate to fight him they would have to come to him.

Ducking is definetley too strong a term for it !

 

I agree on the ducking part but Jones was not the man to beat. The man to beat is still the champ and that was DM at the time.

 

Thanks Scar i remember this video being psted before. My old man doesnt have his quicktime player downloaded. Thats why I couldn't watch it. :good

 

Anyone else and I would probably agree but Jones was a bit special ( that said I think DM would have given him a hell of fight ! ) :good